billy jean

Is it necessary for you to kill a decent thread?

Let's be real people, I hate to break your spirits, but Michael Jackson is not that great a dancer. He is a great entertainer but let's be real, beyond the "moonwalk" as he calls it, or popping, how many of you have actually watched Michael dance without choreography? Since all of your opinions are seem to be based mainly on videos, how many of you have seen the "Don't Stop til you Get Enough" video in which he is doing 2 moves or "Rock With You" when he is just doing one or two moves as well. Then all of sudden overnight he became the greatest dancer in the world. How many people before Motown 25 were doing the backslide, popping, locking, before 1983? Just Think About It. How many times have we actually seen Michael in interviews improvising on the spot for a whole section of a song without any explanation of what he is doing. I'm sorry but if you are that wonderful a dancer and have been doing it as long as he has, he should be able to at least groove to the music without the "moonwalk", or what people call popping which I have never seen him do really.
It is amazing how someone so revered by many, can't really go beyond the obvious tricks that put him there to begin with. What is even more amazing is how someone who has notoriously borrowed from so many people won't even acknowledge them and probably couldn't give you the history of where these dances really came from. I'm sorry but if you are going to be a representative of your artform, not only should you be at a level where you can continously grow beyond where you were say 20 years ago, and you should know some history. Otherwise, you are not a true artist. Great entertainer, but not necessarily a great dancer. That has yet to be proven.

ya'll are right, there is no man like the kop fo real.He is my hero and i love the man ,he is so real.There aint no one like him .Hands down no one can ever take his place and the moonwalk ,man off the hook.I dont care what no one says he is tha man!

Thank you for the laugh. I really needed it. I'm wondering if that is your opinion or if you really think you are stating facts. Let me break it down for you, my friend.

1) Michael Jackson has danced without Choreography MANY MANY MANY times. If you are not a fan, you probably have not seen any of his concerts other than the one he did most recently on TV which was when he was 44...and even that was great. His concerts are not sold in stores. They are not aired on TV other than the very rare Dangerous Concert on VH1. Other than that..if you're not a fan..you haven't seen his real shit.

2) If you're not a fan you most likely have seen his videos...those, i can honestly say, are not where his real dancing talent lies. and for you to compare his Don't Stop Till You Get Enough and Rock With You videos to anything he did during the Bad CD era, Dangerous CD era, or HIStory CD era..is just retarded i have to say. Those videos are back from the 70's dude. I dare you to watch the video Jam, or Scream, or In The Closet (all of which i'm sure you haven't seen and all of which have almost NO Choreography in)and tell me that Michael can't dance without choreography

3) Who cares how many people were doing the backslide before Motown 25? I guess it's okay for Poppers to hate because he got credit for it but look how great Michael does the backslide/moonwalk whatever. This isn't a "people did this move before MJ so you can count that out" thread..it's a "michael's a great dancer thread." Before Michael's performance on Motown..not many people did much dancing while singing. It was phenomenal! As for the interview talk...did you see him do his dance segment on the Oprah Interview back in '93? (i wasn't really sure what you were saying in the first place)

4) And did you know that Michael only does the moonwalk in one song? obviously not. the Liver Performance of Billie Jean is the only time Michael does the "moonwalk." And actually Michael does quite a bit of popping and locking. Once again, i refer back to his concerts. I'd be happy to send you a live performance or 2 via AIM. JUst say the word.

5) MJ acknowledge all of the great dance legends. James Brown, Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, even the "black kids in the ghettos" as he calls them. Once again i refer back to the Oprah '93 interview and even to the book MJ wrote called "moonwalk" (which i'm sure you are unaware of) He talks about all of this stuff in there.

6) MJ has grown "over the past 20 years" tremendously dancing wise. Take a look at a video from Off The Wall, then Thriller, then Bad, then Dangerous, the HIStory, then the project, Ghosts (i'm sure you're unaware that half of these projects exist)

7) Entertainment is an art, genius.

I dare you to prove me wrong when i say MJ is one of the greatest dance legends of all time.

Thank you for the laugh. I really needed it. I\'m wondering if that is your opinion or if you really think you are stating facts. Let me break it down for you, my friend.

1) Michael Jackson has danced without Choreography MANY MANY MANY times. If you are not a fan, you probably have not seen any of his concerts other than the one he did most recently on TV which was when he was 44...and even that was great. His concerts are not sold in stores. They are not aired on TV other than the very rare Dangerous Concert on VH1. Other than that..if you\'re not a fan..you haven\'t seen his real dance shine.

2) If you\'re not a fan you most likely have seen his videos...those, i can honestly say, are not where his real dancing talent lies. and for you to compare his Don\'t Stop Till You Get Enough and Rock With You videos to anything he did during the Bad CD era, Dangerous CD era, or HIStory CD era..is just retarded i have to say. Those videos are back from the 70\'s dude. I dare you to watch the video Jam, or Scream, or In The Closet (all of which i\'m sure you haven\'t seen and all of which have almost NO Choreography in)and tell me that Michael can\'t dance without choreography

3) Who cares how many people were doing the backslide before Motown 25? I guess it\'s okay for Poppers to hate because he got credit for it but look how great Michael does the backslide/moonwalk whatever. This isn\'t a \"people did this move before MJ so you can count that out\" thread..it\'s a \"michael\'s a great dancer thread.\" Before Michael\'s performance on Motown..not many people did much dancing while singing. It was phenomenal! As for the interview talk...did you see him do his dance segment on the Oprah Interview back in \'93? (i wasn\'t really sure what you were saying in the first place)

4) And did you know that Michael only does the moonwalk in one song? obviously not. the Liver Performance of Billie Jean is the only time Michael does the \"moonwalk.\" And actually Michael does quite a bit of popping and locking. Once again, i refer back to his concerts. I\'d be happy to send you a live performance or 2 via AIM. JUst say the word.

5) MJ acknowledge all of the great dance legends. James Brown, Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, even the \"black kids in the ghettos\" as he calls them. Once again i refer back to the Oprah \'93 interview and even to the book MJ wrote called \"moonwalk\" (which i\'m sure you are unaware of) He talks about all of this stuff in there.

6) MJ has grown \"over the past 20 years\" tremendously dancing wise. Take a look at a video from Off The Wall, then Thriller, then Bad, then Dangerous, the HIStory, then the project, Ghosts (i\'m sure you\'re unaware that half of these projects exist)

7) Entertainment is an art, genius.

I dare you to prove me wrong when i say MJ is one of the greatest dance legends of all time.

yo for the dude who said that mj doesnt give enuff credit bla bla bla you are wrong because if you read his book moonwalker he says that he only modified it and that someone taught him,but it was differrent from the way that he does it.He made up his own way of doin it playa ,and to whoever said that jt is better you are wrong too coz mj is the reason jt is in the game anywayz.no doubt mj is better count the #of people he has influenced and then check out jt.if you watched the wade robson finale you would know!kop what!

MMMM....well said...where do u live at Spex?
Invent

Honey, we don't judge MJ's dancing based solely on his videos. Have you seen MJ's live concerts prior the Thriller days? Man, he dances fast as thunder and does all sorts of dance moves including tapping, broadway dance moves, and some robot moves. I don't think you've seen the Jackson's Variety Show or any of the live Jackson's concerts...Michael can dance his ASS off. And it isn't only MJ's dance moves that are so impressive..it's his original style. Look at the video for Smooth Criminal, for instance...yes, he uses some elements of popping, but he incoportated them into his own style and routine...and does it in his own fashion...It's evident that you don't know much about MJ....so don't judge him until you've seen more of his stuff. And most of ya'll who hate on him are either poppers/lockers/street dancers..he didn't steal nothing...he does some street moves, but he ain't a street dancer..I don't know what some of your guys' problems are, lol.

BTW, for the fans, this was posted on the MJJF..cool stuff.



and check out this bass ass clip of mj dancing...
www.sparkfield.com . . .

I know...here i go again...
Am I correct in ur saying that MJ was amazing pre-thriller??? Cuz if that's what you said, then I have to quote someone on Wade Robeson..."Man, I saw him get down when he was like 9...he had some tight stuff...I don't know what happened to him..."
Also...thank you for posting that cip... Time to break down his dancing!!!! MMUUUHHHHHAHAHA!!!!
His glides...started jerky...not cool. The biggest complaint I have... HE WAS OFF BEAT!!!!! IF YOU CANT SEE THAT, GET SOME GLASSES!!! Spex...i know you'd agree. When he hits...he anticipates the beat too.
I know plent of cats who can tear that beat up!!!
Invent

Invinceable...
Why do poppers "hate" on him about the backslide??? Cuz everytime we do it, people try to convince us that its called the moonwalk? Its like you sporting the latest $200 nikes that you desinged and everyone keeps sayin "Cool Reeboks! Where'd u get em?" And when u tel them they are nikes, and you desinged them...they go "No, those are the new Iverson's!" I know, bad comparison, but im trying to help u to understand where we hardcore poppers are coming from. That's just to explain that move. And Didnt he work with Taco again for Ghosts??? I know he worked with some OG poppers.... PEaz
Invent

Ur just pissed and jealous for whatever reason...loll...keep venting, man. And if you really wanna analyze some of MJ's dancing, watch the '95 VMA's performance or the Motown 25 performance. I can assure, if I watch any dancer with negative/biased viewpoints (and passed negative judgments already on him/her), I will find flaws no matter how good he is. You seem to have made up your mind about MJ and it's evident you despise him. I would be surprised if you found anything positive in any of his performances no matter how praised and critically acclaimed they are. Keep hating cuz you ain't goin nowhere while MJ has already made his part in the history of entertainment.

Hmmm....those are some strong words MHBabe...I will not respond the way I want to for this one...
I am neither pissed nor jealous...I am trying to get people to open their windows and look outside. Everyone is so happy in their little box, they dont realize that there's a whole 'nother world out there. I'm currently downloading the Motown 25 clip, and I will let you know what I think of it in the morning.
I simply point out the bad in his dancing because all everyone does on here (and in most places) is praise him like he is a living God. I don't despise the man in any way. He is a good entertainer, one of the best in history, and I love his songs. I, like Spex, amd just stating, he is not a great dancer... but a great performer.
About your last sentence...I'm disgusted and offended by it. You don't know who I am, where I'm from, what my plans are, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME! And to make a comment like that is entirely out of place. MJ may have already made his mark...but mine is yet to be made. One of my goals is to EDUCATE people on the hip-hop dances (Popping, locking, bboy/bgirling...get those three in your mind so i dont have to repeat myself), and on hip-hop in general. It is my love for these dances and teaching people (especially those younger than I!!!) that has led me to a job as a hip-hop instructor, where I can choreograph and make sure the dances dont get contorted. You have to influence the individual before you can influence the group.
I will look at that clip and I will break down everything good and bad that MJ does...although I shouldn't have to prove to anyone I know what real dancing is.
To close this post:
I will not drop to the low level of insult slinging that you have displayed, but I will say this:
I can back my words with REAL, ORIGINAL DANCING IN PROPER STYLES, plus I can drop KNOWLEDGE on HISTORY... I'm sure I know more than you will ever know, because you won't open your eyes.
Forget MJ, WHAT CAN YOU DO?
Invent
Reppin' the Truth for life.
PS- I suggest you choose your words more carefully.

I just watched the clip of the Motown 25, in which he does Billy Jean... all I have to say is...."COME ON!!!!!" Seriously, if that's one of his best performances... I'm gonna check out the VMA one when I can find it. There isn't even much dancing to breakdown (perhaps i have the wrong clip?) Also, maybe you didn't notice....but he's lipsyncing in that too. I love the man's singing, but he lipsyncs there (although there's not much wrong with that), which does nothing to help your argument.
As for his backslide... I didnt see him add anything to it or "improve" on it. Fundamentally and technically sound, but nothing special.
I'll leave you with two of my credentials and a clip...
1) Featured dancing on Berlin News Cast during Love Parade 2000
2) Appeared on Soul Train in 2002
zed.cbc.ca . . .
The clip has no sound, but I was dancing to George Clinton-Atomic Dog Instrumental, also just so you new, I was entirely MESSING AROUND with some new stuff...so its not my usual style (boogaloo and fresno). Let's see what y'all got.
Invent

Cool Clip..you're pretty good. Never meant to insult you but you sounded kinda harsh in your last post. But also, one thing you guys need to stop doing is analzying MJ based on his street moves...cuz he ain't all about that. He ain't a street dancer so stop judging him as one...He does a little bit of everything...if someone analyzes him solely as a tap dancer, I'm sure they will find a few flaws cuz he doesn't only stick to tap dancing...he does a little bit of everything. Mj is versatile with his dancing. What do you think about the dancing in Smooth Criminal? Yah, I would recommend you watch the 95 VMA's performance. Or even the Dangerous performance at the '91 AMAs. As a dancer/performer, MJ is verrry detailed...all the way down to his finger movements. I'm still shocked that you don't find anything impressive about Motown...but I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I do admit though that Motown ain't his BEST, in terms of dancing skills, but it was groundbreaking at the time..and showed a side of MJ no one really saw....and it showed how original he is as a performer/dancer....and his style mesmerized all. I still think his later B.J performances are much better cuz he totally enhanced them. But uh...anyway...good luck with your career...and I wish you the best.

He is talented, he is a groundbreaker. I do not deny that. I just believe a lot of the idea of dancing is lost in choreography. so when someone constantly does the same moves or only dances choreographed dances, THEY ARE NOT DANCING!!! How can the music move you when you try to move the music? I will check out some of his other things. Here is something you should do:
Get some clips of Gene Kelley, James Brown, Fred Astaire, The Original Lockers, Poppin Taco, Poppin Pete, The Electric Boogaloos, the great Gregory Hines and Sammy Davis Jr. Watch them dance, then watch micheal Jackson "dance." You will notice that he never really mixes the moves of his influences, but does them in succession. He Could/would have done so much more if he studied each dance and tried to actually be a dancer of each style, and THEN went and mixed them, instead of taking James Brown's boogaloo (not to be confused with funkstyles boogaloo, done in the Motown 25 clip), some of Taco's moves, then a little gene kelley step or two, and simply using those signiature moves of each artist and calling them "his own, but with their influences." It like me doing the wiggles walk verbatum and saying, oh, I got it somewhere and added my own flavor, turning a blind eye to reality.
My last word, get out there, learn, study. Check out some of his influences and the supposed dances that he does, and will will discover that he isn't as great as media makes him out to be. Don't get me wrong, the man IS GREAT, but he isn't a God.
Inventizzle

I don't think i have to say anything more than this (although i'm sure i will LMAO)

That post you made about your hateration towards the "moonwalk" says it all. People are angry/mad/jealous whatever you want to call it, about the fact that MJ has been praised for his EXCELLENT dancing abilities, many of which were around way before recognized due to his mainstream, while other dancers who are just as good, and in many cases, probably better, don't get any recognition at all. I'm sorry for that, but you shouldn't hate on him just because more people know about him than you.

I can honestly say you're missing the point when you say that MJ isn't "smooth enough" or what have you. That whole Jerky-ness is part of what he does and how he likes it. It's not a fault of his, but a style of his own. MJ can do a perfect sideslide, and many other "moves" (which, i hate to call them "moves"). But when i see that jerky part of his slide i see "damn...he looks soo unreal when he's doing that."

Motown 25 isn't that great of a performance, i give you that, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS. nobody at that time danced like that, or moved like that on stage before! When you look at it now, MJ looks a little rusty but that's because i don't think he had completely found his groove yet, and where he wanted to be as far as dancing.

VMA '95 isn't so great either, i don't think. If you want really good MJ dancing, you have to search for them. The ones not shown on TV or are very rare are the best ones.

the playa who said that mj can't really dance you are wrong because the reason he was the leader of j5 was becoz he could dance.when he did the robot when he was younger it was such a big deal coz all th kids wanted to do it as good as him.you should have seen him it was amazing and it was different .why do have such a problem with him face it you was wrong.a lot of the time he is not choreographed.some of the stuff the does on stage is spontaneos .and roc with u was the 70s playa he was the one who came up with the backgruond dancer concept any ways .so sorry but you was wrong .

There is nothing jerky about wehn he actually does the backslide, it was just in that clip, he had a little trouble getting into it. We all have problems pulling moves perfect everytime. Woouldnt you agree though that it is time a lot of those better dancers get some credit though?
Invent

PS- No hateration, no bull. I just tell it how it is. If you see someone screw something up fundamentally, you correct them. That last post of mine goes back to something I have said many times on here,.. how can you call yourself a certain dancer of a dance, and not know the foundations??? I can do ballet moves (not very well, but i can imitate them...) dont i dont go around calling myself a ballet dancer...i'd get laughed at.
And to Fado- you got my point!!! when he was young HE COULD (

the moonwalk is easy... Just remember to put your weight in the heel that's down and behind. Once you get used to it, it's a sinch!.

umm...the "moonwalk" and sideslide are like 2 different things. doing little jerky robotic moves in the moonwalk would look retarded. doing it in the sideslide is supposed to look like he's skipping in motions. That's how i see it anyway.

And when has Michael ever proclaimed to be anything?

What's up Invent, I am reppin' for the NYC. I help run a party with my friend Footwork, whom some of you might know and Ulli Maier called the House Dance Conference in which we promote dance history and culture for over 4 and 1/2 years. I am dancer who is into every aspect of the hip hop culture as well as popping and locking. Nice to see someone who agrees with me. As for you Invincible5 and mhbabe, there is no hate in my body for Michael Jackson's place in music history or his ablity to perform. I just won't label him a god in the dance world. Since you enjoy listing facts, let's begin.

1. For someone who can dance without choreography, Michael seems to a have problem freestylin when asked to dance on the spot. In the aforementioned Oprah interview in 1993 and the Martin Bashir interview 10 years later, when Michael was asked to dance, after proclaiming that he is "too shy", he continues to stumble through the same movement in both interviews, offbeat, stopping intermittingly to ask where the cameras are or explain what he is doing. Ironically, this is a man who has been dancing for over 30 years and he still has trouble doing movement on the spot? Speaking of rare performances, I have seen him perform way before the vcr was invented and he still wasn't doing much dancing even during the disco era without choreography. DO you remember that?

2. It is important to mention "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" and "Rock With You" because those were notoriously influenced by the disco era, so in actuality he should've been doing more dancing in those videos because that was a big dancing era. Beyonnd the videos, I recall watching Michael on the Jackson's variety show in 1976-1977 and watching him perform "Shake Your Body Down To The Ground" on American Bandstand in 1978. Although the dancing was good, it was choreography.

3. Let's get this terminology correct. The "moonwalk" is the backslide. This is important not to deviate from the correct terminology because you never go to a ballet teacher for instance, and refer to a rond de jambe as a battement.For all the accolades you have given Micheal for the backslide, you should know that he wasn't the first to do it or improve on it. It was in the street already years before. And it was performed on Soul Train in 1979 , by Creppin' Cyd of the Electric Boogooloos and before the poppin era, there is footage of Raymond Windfield of Tip Tap and Toe from the late 20's to the 40's doing the backslide. But I am sure you haven't seen any of that footage.
4. If you are referring to the real moonwalk he performs that in several concerts such as the Victory Tour in 1984, the Bad tour, 1988 Grammy's, Smooth Criminal, as well as others. The backslide he does is to primarily Billie Jean. As for his locking, Michael has never locked in film or concert. And if you are referring to Jam, Michael has never locked once. According to the creator Don Campbell, the actual lock came from his attempt to do the funky chicken. The actual lock is when the arms and elbows are locked in position slightly leaning foward like a chicken, which Michael is never done. And futhermore, Michael is not a tap dancer.

5. Michael has no choice to acknowledge people like James Brown because of his influence on the soul, funk, and hip hop generation. As for the "black kids in the ghetto" statement, why can't he mention Poppin' Taco, Poppin' Pete, or Boogooloo Shrimp who he learned from for over 20 years. And regarding your statement about nobody singing and dancing like Micheal on Motown 25 , what was James Brown doing, what was Sammy Davis Jr. doing?, What was Jackie Wilson doing?. playing hopscotch and playing the flute?

6. As for your comment for him improving for over 20 years, he appears to be more stagnent. The performances he has done on the VMA's in 1995 is the same exact performance he did on the Soul Train awards 5 months later, since the debut of that routine in 1992 on the Academy Music Awards. I am pretty sure you have never seen recent footage of James Brown, but at 70, he is still doing splits and coming up flawlessly as well as doing his famous moves without losing a breath. I have never seen Michael do half of what James has done ever, and Michael still loses breath for the little dancing that he does do. And just to let you know, I am a huge fan of Michael's music and highly respect his place in music history and his talent. I will always salute him as a great entertainer. Entertainment IS an art, but just because you can perform a circus act as a clown, that doesn't make you a dancer or a "genius".

What's up Invent, I am reppin' for the NYC. I help run a party with my friend Footwork, whom some of you might know and Ulli Maier called the House Dance Conference in which we promote dance history and culture for over 4 and 1/2 years. I am dancer who is into every aspect of the hip hop culture as well as popping and locking. Nice to see someone who agrees with me. As for you Invincible5 and mhbabe, there is no hate in my body for Michael Jackson's place in music history or his ablity to perform. I just won't label him a god in the dance world. Since you enjoy listing facts, let's begin.
1. For someone who can dance without choreography, Michael seems to a have problem freestylin when asked to dance on the spot. In the aforementioned Oprah interview in 1993 and the Martin Bashir interview 10 years later, when Michael was asked to dance, after proclaiming that he is "too shy", he continues to stumble through the same movement in both interviews, offbeat, stopping intermittingly to ask where the cameras are or explain what he is doing. Ironically, this is a man who has been dancing for over 30 years and he still has trouble doing movement on the spot? Speaking of rare performances, I have seen him perform way before the vcr was invented and he still wasn't doing much dancing even during the disco era without choreography. DO you remember that?
2. It is important to mention "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" and "Rock With You" because those were notoriously influenced by the disco era, so in actuality he should've been doing more dancing in those videos because that was a big dancing era. Beyonnd the videos, I recall watching Michael on the Jackson's variety show in 1976-1977 and watching him perform "Shake Your Body Down To The Ground" on American Bandstand in 1978. Although the dancing was good, it was choreography.
3. Let's get this terminology correct. The "moonwalk" is the backslide. This is important not to deviate from the correct terminology because you never go to a ballet teacher for instance, and refer to a rond de jambe as a battement.For all the accolades you have given Micheal for the backslide, you should know that he wasn't the first to do it or improve on it. It was in the street already years before. And it was performed on Soul Train in 1979 , by Creppin' Cyd of the Electric Boogooloos and before the poppin era, there is footage of Raymond Windfield of Tip Tap and Toe from the late 20's to the 40's doing the backslide. But I am sure you haven't seen any of that footage.
4. If you are referring to the real moonwalk he performs that in several concerts such as the Victory Tour in 1984, the Bad tour, 1988 Grammy's, Smooth Criminal, as well as others. The backslide he does is to primarily Billie Jean. As for his locking, Micheal has never locked in film or concert. And if you are referring to Jam, Michael has never locked once. According to the creator Don Campbell, the actual lock came from his attempt to do the funky chicken. It is the actual lock are arms and elbows locked in position slightly leaning foward like a chicken, which Michael is never done. And futhermore, Michael is not a tap dancer.
5. Michael has no choice to acknowldge people like James Brown because of his influence on the soul, funk, and hip hop generation. As for the "black kids in the ghetto" statement, why can't he mention Poppin' Taco, Poppin' Pete, or Boogooloo Shrimp who he learned from for over 20 years. And regarding your statement about nobody singing and dancing like Micheal on Motown 25 , what was James Brown doing, what was Sammy Davis Jr. doing?, What was Jackie Wilson doing?. playing hopscotch and playing the flute?
6. As for your comment for him improving for over 20 years, he appears to be more stagnent. The performances he has done on the VMA's in 1995 is the same exact performance he did on the Soul Train awards 5 months later, since the debut of that routine in 1992 on the Academy Music Awards. I am pretty sure you have never seen recent footage of James Brown, but at 70, he is still doing splits and coming up flawlessly as well as doing his famous moves without losing a breath. I have never seen Michael do half of what James has done ever, and Michael still loses breath for the little dancing that he does do. And just to let you know, I am a huge fan of Michael's music and highly respect his place in music history and his talent. I will always salute him as a great entertainer. Entertainment IS an art, but just because you can perform a circus act as a clown, that doesn't make you a dancer or a "genius".

Spex , I know Footwork...the man has some of the deepest knowledge ever of these dances. So I know you have that knowledge too I went to the HDC with Boog. Sam judging the popping competition. I was in NY for like 9 months of the past year, but since i was trying to work and get back into school i couldnt concentrate on my dacning as much as i would have liked to... :\
I actually have video of the first backslide done on TV by the tapper you mentioned. I can post it if you want...
Last words... Listen to Spex. That is not hate, it is truth.
Invent

What's up,Invent.I think it's best to post the footage so people can really see where things come from .If it is possible ,if you have the 1979 footage of Creepin' Sid doing the backslide on Soul Train with the Electric Boogaloos,could you post that too?I'm really not into Michael bashing,but I have to take a stand on disnissing the falsehoods and misconceptions about his dancing.I aish I knew who you were at the HDC.That night was ridiculous. Anyway,thanks for the support .I appreciate it. Peace.