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Re:Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Ajaye Comments: 299, member since Thu Dec 23, 2004
On Wed Jan 12, 2005 09:20 PM
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-07 13:21:21 Please spell out full words when posting.
I agree with Invent 100%, it kills me now because I just went back to my studio that I danced with for 7 years, I ended up quitting because of my knees and I started poppin. I've learned so much from Invent on various forums that have been out here. so far I've been able to improve my own style and Ive been perfecting my ticking and waving and what not...

anyway I really am starting to understand the difference between studio hiphop and real hiphop. Studio hiphop with the outfits(mind you they are catalog stuff) and the routines that are mixed styles, the music video which some are pretty hot but truly dont have what should be in there. I truly think someone should really wake people up to some of this.
Invent you should write a book honestly. As much as you know, I think all the great minds of this website that I have seen(Jahz,Trippy,iHop,Invent etc...)should combine and write a book, maybe even start a crew one day who knows.

Just thought I'd voice out

Ajaye AKA
ThE rOoKiE Of ThE yEaR
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Invent Comments: 1693, member since Wed Jan 14, 2004
On Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:08 PM
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-07 13:19:49 Please spell out full words when posting.
Thanks Ajaye...
Actually... I AM working on a book right now. It's on the history of the hip-hop dances, but MAINLY it's on the history of popping. Bboying and locking it is much easier to find the roots, because in popping you have over 26 different styles. So to find each originator and people who founded the styles, is quite difficult.

We just all like to do our research and fully involve ourselves in our culture. We love our culture, and therefore want to know everyhing about it!!!
Invent
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By Buddhastretch1 Comments: 18, member since Mon Jan 17, 2005
On Mon Jan 17, 2005 05:52 PM
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-07 13:18:32 Please spell out the word to.
FREESTYLE,NEW STYLE,ETC,..are all terms used over the last 7-8 years to describe HIPHOP dancing, to separate it from BBOYIN,ROCKIN,etc.Freestyle HIPHOP has been around since 1985,it's a derivative of the SOCIAL/PARTY dances of the 70's,& 80's.Dancers like myself,Brian Green,& others,have been doing this style for years.....As to the mixing of styles,ALL of the street dances are mixtures of styles,it's the inevitable conclusion of cross culture.....Lockin,is a mixture of several social dances of the 60's,early 70's,like the FUNKY CHICKEN,the ROBOT,the BREAKDOWN,ETC....POPPIN also is a mixture of the ROBOT,LOCKIN,etc.The main reason for the statement of not mixing the styles is,IMHO,NOT ENOUGH SO CALLED POPPERS/LOCKERS/BBOYS,KNOW HOW to DO ANY OF THE OTHER STYLES,WELL ENOUGH to MIX THEM!let the music lead,then follow.....peace
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Invent Comments: 1693, member since Wed Jan 14, 2004
On Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:53 PM
Buddha pointed something out to me... and that's that it is wrong to say that
"Bboying is the only true hip-hop dance."
That's a common mis-conception that even i sadly fell victim to in my ferver to create this post...
Invent
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By omegakkto Comments: 42, member since Mon Jun 28, 2004
On Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:37 AM
Edited by omegakkto (98002) on 2005-01-18 10:34:28
Removed by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-07 13:16:56 Pointless post.
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re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By omegakkto Comments: 42, member since Mon Jun 28, 2004
On Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:42 AM
thanks buddha for dropping the knowledge
i know that elite force has the utmost influence to this style..
freestyle/new style /ny style [which mostly used in my hometown/country];sadly,most of them dont really "freestyle" in their competition.
studio "new style" dancers concluded themselves as the "HIPHOP" style and didnt catch on with the original name...imo ,its sorta confusing

but anyway,props to the ELITE FORCE

peace
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By BabyDL Comments: 34, member since Thu Dec 23, 2004
On Tue Jan 18, 2005 01:10 PM
holla to me about some of this stuff
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By specialballerina Comments: 2303, member since Fri Oct 22, 2004
On Wed Jan 19, 2005 01:06 PM
Thankyou for this information. I took my first hip hop class today and found that it was influeneced by ballet and jazz. This helped me to understand it.
It's NOT Basic Knowledge it's ESSENTIAL KNOWLEDGE!!
By BLADEDANCEPremium member Comments: 429, member since Mon Feb 26, 2001
On Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:51 PM
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-20 09:50:29 Took out personal information.
Out of all the posts I've seen on DANCE.NET, this is by far the best(aside from the occasional Brian Green posting)!!

It is important for dancers to understand the history and culture of true hip-hop. I agree with one of the respondants, you need to teach.

What keeps the media in control of how we view our own culture is we do not take the reigns. We don't start schools or non-profit organizations to spread the truth. We sit on message boards and we vent our disgust with the raping of our hip-hop culture, but we do not offer up viable alternatives or solutions other than seperatism. We can't complain about the objectification and commercialism of hip-hop when we do not demand the ear of the industry.

I think that posts like yours are the first step to educating dancers about the history of hip-hop culture. Then they need to be schooled on the ins and outs of dance as an industry (for those who want to go that route). This way they are armed against those within the commercial realm that seek to beguile dancers and pass off ballet or jazz as hip-hop.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK INVENT!!

re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Kwali_T Comments: 83, member since Mon Jan 17, 2005
On Fri Jan 21, 2005 01:11 PM
Agree and Disagree

This is just my oppinion, but i personally think that something evolved over time here. I TOTALLY agree with what Invent has to say, dont get me wrong. But i think that there is the traditional "Hip Hop" and there is a newer form "Hip Hop" that is catagorized in a totally different area. Its not under the same branch but in a totally different side of the page. It is a well defined style right now. Its not a style where u can just do what u want to. So i agree with Invent again about the studio Hip Hop. I'm personally faced with that myself at times where i live. They just dont know so they do put pirrouettes, pencil turns, having pointed feet, jazz costumes, etc. There are fundimental basics that i was taught such as a Downbeat and isolation involved movements such as the snake, cabbage patch, running man, worm (not the one u do on the ground!). These are just examples but moves such as these were created back in the 80's were they not? I believe that a new genre called Hip Hop might have evolved from back then. But i wont get into too much of an explination here.

Everybody who reads this, please dont feel i'm "disturbing the peace" here. All "I AM DOING" is opening my mind open. We evolve everyday whether we like to or not and i'm just thinking that it might be a possibility that Dance within these genres might have as well. I believe that being a dancer is being open to new things. Tradition and history is really important as well but if we stick too hard to tradition, we keep our minds closed for newer oppertunities. That is what i am trying to say.

Everybody view things differently, this is my view on it.
Open your mind.

Keep Dancin'

Kwali_T
hmmm
By NorthRoadDancer Comments: 12, member since Mon Jan 24, 2005
On Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:37 PM
I really look at hip-hop dancing as a style all its own! I don't really break it into "3 diff types" ! Hip hop is hip hop! It's the most fun way there is to dance with the most flava and most style!
I agree
By jigsawpuzzel Comments: 28, member since Sun Jan 02, 2005
On Tue Jan 25, 2005 03:20 AM
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-20 09:51:11 Please spell out the word you when posting.
My brother I agree with everything you said,due to the fact that I'm from that era.I was born and rised in New York city(Coney Island)and every know where breakdancing started from as well as other elements of dance, So I agree and I like the way you educate the people of today.
dance lover
By lylone Comments: 3, member since Wed Dec 29, 2004
On Wed Jan 26, 2005 09:12 AM
i ove to dance and would like to learn more
dance lover
By lylone Comments: 3, member since Wed Dec 29, 2004
On Wed Jan 26, 2005 09:13 AM
Removed by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-20 02:02:00 Double post.
i ove to dance and would like to learn more
help!!
By Bboyflix Comments: 29, member since Mon Jan 24, 2005
On Fri Jan 28, 2005 08:03 PM
plzz can somebody tell me where i can get videos of b-walk clown walk funky chicken and harlem shake
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Nikiricky Comments: 36, member since Fri Jul 30, 2004
On Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:49 PM
Great info Invent,,,thanks for posting it!
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By dancechic123 Comments: 31, member since Sat Jan 01, 2005
On Sat Feb 05, 2005 08:03 PM
that's really good advice, thanks!!!!!!
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By fuego7_mariamember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 377, member since Wed Feb 26, 2003
On Fri Feb 18, 2005 06:40 AM
Everybody think that hip-hop is what you see in music videos...
thanx for giving me the info to explain that it is not!!!
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By dancer172 Comments: 1033, member since Tue Jun 29, 2004
On Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:17 PM
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-20 09:52:27 Please spell out the word you when posting.
ok someone (i didnt read the name) said that hip-hop party dancing should be done.....where do you get that? im not getting mad im just wondering you said that!
xo
Chrissy
Hip Hop Dance Styles... basic knowledge
By tappdiva Comments: 14, member since Sat Feb 19, 2005
On Sat Feb 19, 2005 09:07 PM
Just wanted to ask Invent if he/she was a Hip Hop teacher by chance? This is in regards to the last comment that people should accept no substitutes... real Hip Hop dancers don't use counts... try teaching a class of 19 "real" dancers (and I don't mean that in an offensive way- just referring to their Ballet, Jazz etc. technical training) how to Hip Hop without using counts every once and a while... Not counting and bustin' out may work on the street and in crews, but it doesn't work for Hip Hop classes using choreography for competitions and shows because it is just that... CHOREOGRAPHY!!! It has to be pre-planned and "counted" (every once and a while anyways for unison purposes)... Just something for u to think about...

tappdiva
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Invent Comments: 1693, member since Wed Jan 14, 2004
On Sat Feb 19, 2005 09:47 PM
I (he) have tought classes in studio settings. I have done choreography (I hate it, but i've done it...).
And yea, in those instances counts are necessary.
I am a popper though, and if I'm teaching 20 poppers... we wouldn't use counts.
Bboys dont teach bboys with counts.
Dancers that need choreography get taught with counts. That's just th eway of the world.
Invent
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By Buddhastretch1 Comments: 18, member since Mon Jan 17, 2005
On Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:52 AM
THE EB'S DO ROUTINES WITHOUT COUNTS,THE LOCKERS DID CHOREOGRAPHY WITHOUT COUNTING.....THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH COUNTING,OR CHOREOGRAPHY....THE PROBLEM WITH MOST DANCERS,IS RHYTHM...OR THE LACK THERE OF,& SPONTANAEITY(SP?)...THE ABILITY 2 JUST DANCE,WITHOUT THINKING,WITHOUT MOVES......THAT'S HIPHOP!....PEACE
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By meandonlyme Comments: 378, member since Sun Jul 04, 2004
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:58 PM
Removed by soliloquy (28370) on 2005-03-20 09:52:55 Netslang. Please type out full words in the future.
Edited by imadanseur (79325) on 2005-03-20 09:53:38 Please spell out full words when posting.
hey invent.

wow. learned some stuff about some terms that people dislike and all.. but about studio hip hop.. why do you say there is no such thing as hip hop in a studio? maybe I read wrongly, but yeah.. thanks.

meandonlyme

btw: how do you learn all ya hip hop history stuff?
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By Invent Comments: 1693, member since Wed Jan 14, 2004
On Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:28 AM
In a studio it is VERY difficult to find hip-hop dancing that is true to the game and true to the styles.

About 99% of what you find in studios is Jazz, Jazz/funk (another bad term...), and dances that are a mixture of many different types of dances but have no hip-hop movements or foundations.

If it doesn't contain the least bit of hip-hop, how can it be called hip-hop???

You can dance ballet to country music. But that doesn't make the dancing your doing Country Line Dancing. You are still doing ballet.
Invent
re: Hip-hop Dance Styles: BASIC KNOWLEDGE
By meandonlyme Comments: 378, member since Sun Jul 04, 2004
On Fri Mar 04, 2005 04:26 AM
ok.. in studios, they have lessons called 'hip hop' and not funk jazz and all tt.. i dont know about the moves.. how do u actually define a hip hop move?

I understand the country thingy.. yeah..

thanks again.. =)
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