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re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By LovelyLauramember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 10111, member since Fri Oct 31, 2003
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:15 AM
Groovygrans, why dont you just change your signiture?
you now know that it could cause offence and as you're always one to tell everyone else about the rules why dont you change it and not be stubbon?
your grandkids can call you it, we're not saying its inapropriate for them but on a site like this its not really suitable,

laura
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Noreenmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 5968, member since Wed Sep 24, 2003
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:36 AM
WOW ok got a little shock when I clicked on this!lol

Firstly, fair play Linh for posting this. It makes it much clearer for people choosing avatars.


Secondly, this whole thing in regards to Groovygrans signature. Im not being bad but I had to laugh when I first saw wedges post about it because I have never thought about it that way but now I see where you are coming form I can totally understand how it is not appropriate! Over here, we would never uses Mamas as a word for breasts! SO I can see how Groovygran never saw her name offensive. NOw it has been pointed out to her I think you should respect what people are saying and if they are offended by it I think it only right for you to do your best to change it. Fair enough your grandchildren call you that.Thats no problem but what if my sisters called some big dirty name for a laugh and I signed off as it on my posts? would that be an acceptable excuse for me to use it.

Up to now there hasnt been an issue of avatars and names etc but now there is lets just do our best to go with the rules. End of the day is you are not losing your identity by changing your sign of name because sure everyone knows you as Groovygran and you will still be groovygran.


Looking at all the previous posts, I think you all deserve a pat on the back for being decent about it and not attacking Groovygran!

Hope this is cleared up
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Munkensteinmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 14381, member since Mon Aug 11, 2003
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:47 PM
"Wait....what are finger bandages? Why was it removed? Huh? *cries*

I don't get it..."

My avatar was a picture of "finger cots," which are these ridiculous bandages that we used in ceramics class. They cover your whole finger in plastic or whatever they're made from, so that clay doesn't get into your cut or you can use the wheel without a bandaid making marks in your piece.

I was joking about them with somebody, then put it as my avatar for a laugh. So apparently finger bandages are explicit or something.

As for the signature debate...^you must remember, this is an international website. Many Americans saw the signature and wondered what it meant, even if where you live those words wouldn't be used that way. It honestly sounds like the title and rating of a porno to me. If my innocent avatar can be removed for whatever reason, then I think signatures should fall under the same jurisdiction...especially ones that come across as seeming explicit to so many people.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Wedgemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 1670, member since Fri Mar 08, 2002
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 01:32 PM
Or how about we stop with the power-trip on censoring and not care so much? Reduce a little stress, live a little longer ya know?
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By loVin_JazZmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 2672, member since Tue Dec 10, 2002
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 03:31 PM
me and my naked baby along with mrs monroe in her bathing suit still think this whole avatar thing is horrible!


o and i hope no one finds my naked baby out of line! pretty soon members will just be numbers like

"member 1,546"


becasue people willl start to complain about member names etc.

-jessica

am i still allowed to wear the kind of clothes i want or does that offend some people on here also?
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Ayamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 3884, member since Mon Jun 16, 2003
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 03:36 PM
But Wedge, that would make sense! We can't have that!


Groovygran, the thing about your sig line? It was just explaining that even the most innocently intended things can be misconstrued. We all know that it's just meant as a cute sig, with some kisses at the end, but that doesn't mean a newbie wouldn't read it and accidentally think it's pornographic or something. Munkstein had an avatar with finger cots removed, which is equally innoculous. But, someone out there found it offensive. Wedge was just making an example, calm down.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By linhPremium member Comments: 2688, member since Sun Mar 07, 1999
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 05:50 PM
Mama DD's xxx signature is fine by me. Humans can read between the lines and the context. So Wedge's assertions of inappropriateness, while impeccably literal and thought-provoking, do not merit more than a chuckle.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By pokomember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 9027, member since Sun Oct 31, 2004
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 05:53 PM
I'd like to know why Munk's avatar was innappropriate?

Maybe I am getting a bit too confused over this...

And if people start getting offended by user names....then thats just REALLY sad.

If you don't like it, don't look at it.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By Celebrity24 Comments: 142, member since Tue Sep 14, 2004
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 06:14 PM
Though this is off the topic of the post, there is no reason why her signature should be changed. You should be mature enough to know that a member of standing would not do anything as tasteless.And if you have the immaturity to think she means something so sexual on a family based site, you should not force her to give in to your juvenile means of thinking.
If you had the time you could go scan posts and find members signing their names or even their memeber names as xxXMyNameXxx or something along the sorts. You would have a lot of memebers to scorn. And to be honest, with all the recent posts about members being offensive im starting to think some of you are actually just looking for things to pick apart and cause a comotion over.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By Brittanymember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 15182, member since Thu Aug 22, 2002
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 06:26 PM
"You should be mature enough to know that a member of standing would not do anything as tasteless"

And maybe other's should know that the avatars weren't being tasteless? Works both ways.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By vandoraPremium member Comments: 907, member since Sat Jul 31, 2004
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 07:39 PM
With all due respect, Linh, how are we supposed to know what's okay and what's not at this point? Avatars were removed, depsite them not breaking any rules - that I'm aware of, please correct me if I'm wrong, although I can't see how finger bandages would - because they offended some people, but a signature which can be quite offensive in some areas and - to me, anyway - reminds some people of a porn flick every time I see it is okay? Could we have a, "What's okay and what's not" list, because I for one am completely confused. I'm kind of afraid of saying anything, or changing my avatar because I'm afraid someone might deem it offensive at this point. Hell, I'm afraid someone might find me offensive in general, given my lifestyle, and decide I shouldn't be here.

Anyhow, to clear up some confusion, would it be too much trouble to have spelled out clearly what is and isn't okay? I think some drama could be avoided with this.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Munkensteinmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 14381, member since Mon Aug 11, 2003
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 08:10 PM
If humans apparently have brains and can understand context, why were some innocent avatars removed? (A couple of people have mentioned avatars being removed that I didn't remember as being offensive in any way...perhaps they lied, but I know that mine wasn't meant as an attack or whatever...) But yeah, I'm really confused on that one...
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 6)
By Wedgemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 1670, member since Fri Mar 08, 2002
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 08:19 PM
Perhaps if people would learn how to read, they would discover most shockingly that no one is asking her to change her signature. Everyone gets it that its fine and not offensive in the least. So we aren't being juvenile by taking a literal meaning of those words in that context. It was to prove a point and that point was proven many times over.

As for linh, well thats what I've always been here for. A bit of laughter, a bit of contraversy, it all keeps life interesting.

Wedge - Long, Hard, and Slippery when wet. (It's... ummmn... a metaphor. Relating back to my days as a fisherman, when the cold winds of NovaScotia would freeze my rod so hard, it would not bend, and the icy surf from the wake would make it slippery to hold. But I caught my fish, and I fed my family that day, and every day after.)

Perfectly legit story. And by all accounts and purposes, it should be allowed. But it won't. Which is fine, because it's a purely fictional story anyway, but again I like to prove points.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By pokomember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 9027, member since Sun Oct 31, 2004
On Sun Feb 27, 2005 09:43 PM
But reading.....effort....uhhhh.

I don't recall seeing her being asked to stop using the signiture. And I'm still confused over some of the avatar removals.

I'm with Vandora in asking if we could have guidelines for Avatars, I was going to change mine but I don't even know what we're allowed anymore!
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By tumblebugPremium member Comments: 10100, member since Fri Mar 29, 2002
On Mon Feb 28, 2005 01:53 AM
Hmm. This all sounds fuzzy to me. Some things are offensive and removed. Some things are offensive and not removed.
I don't know. Craziness. Maybe Groovygran could make sure that her name has four x's instead of three. Thats not something hard to ask. Then it would make it a little less offensive to some who are offended by it.
I could easily sign my name...

Mama C xxx
Mama (cuz I'm a mama) C (my daughter's name is Cheyenne) xxx(kisses)

but signatures annoy me and I don't want to offend anyone lol.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 2)
By Kathymember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 10721, member since Wed Mar 05, 2003
On Mon Feb 28, 2005 05:48 AM
I think we just should be a little LESS strikt about censoring. Things where removed where MANY of us thought: "What??? Why??" And other things that are the same offensive (or not offensive) are allowed to stay? I don´t get it either.

Just one last question:
If a photo of a woman in a bathing suite is not allowed as an avatar, why are we allowed to post photos of ourselves in a leotard?

Kathy
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Celebrity24 Comments: 142, member since Tue Sep 14, 2004
On Mon Feb 28, 2005 05:32 PM
Edited by Celebrity24 (106403) on 2005-02-28 17:23:30
Edited by Celebrity24 (106403) on 2005-02-28 17:24:08
I do read, thank you. Please do not tell us we need to learn how. In fact to quote LovelyLaura

Groovygrans, why dont you just change your signiture?



Maybe you should also read the other posts.

If I couldnt read, I guess I would not be able to write either. Looks like Im doing both.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By groovygranmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 12545, member since Mon Jan 19, 2004
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 01:03 AM
Edited by groovygran (82337) on 2005-03-01 01:36:12
Because I have used it [and that is what I am known as in the our dancing circles] for many many years .
Also Linh has said it is ok by him so I will continue to use it and not take any notice of people who care to make something of it
Bye Bye [or is there some induendo in that ]

Love mama DD's xxx
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Kathymember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 10721, member since Wed Mar 05, 2003
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 05:30 AM
I´m still asking:

If a photo of a woman in a bathing suite is not allowed as an avatar, why are we allowed to post photos of ourselves in a leotard?


Kathy
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 2)
By linhPremium member Comments: 2688, member since Sun Mar 07, 1999
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 05:53 AM
As a principle, we don't normally discuss bans or other sanctions, but I'll try to explain since people think I've turned to the darkside or something. These are the avatars that were removed (in large format):

Image hotlink - 'http://bio.xp.com/images/bio/53cb5336946d24575b7ffa9827d969dd.jpg'
It looks like she is touching her breast and the smaller icon makes it hard to see the swimsuit. Not an Oh My God! the sky is falling avatar, but in the context of the thread and a family-oriented site, I felt it inflammatory and inappropriate as an avatar. I'm sure there's another photo of Marilynn in a swimsuit that is better suited to a family site that you can use.

Image hotlink - 'http://bio.xp.com/images/bio/e9e9925c9399c1b8973d95db9ae56001.jpg'
The smaller version of this makes it look like a box of condoms, and that may have been the humorous intended consequence. Seems more of PG-13 joke. See below.

Image hotlink - 'http://bio.xp.com/images/bio/5946522aa856441abf47826d98288597.gif'
Condoms aren't scary and I have nothing against their use or educating people about safe sex. However, it's inappropriate in an avatar for a family site.

Image hotlink - 'http://bio.xp.com/images/bio/49499f5fca9f293a37dd91bcf2380bd1.jpg'
Funny, creative even, but inflammatory.

Look, I value all the creativity that people used and the time they spent to find these avatars. But the context of that thread where nudity and sexuality were issues and the family nature of this site compelled me to make these decisions to calm the waters. I'm also a photographer and I definitely value artistic nudity and the beautiful forms of human bodies. Heck, I think our society would benefit a great deal if we allowed more nudity and less violence on TV. But this is a choice for parents and mature individuals to decide for themselves, not me.

If you think I went too far, that's your call. I'm sorry if you took it personally since that's not my intent. But I'm tired of these flamewars and so are most other members. I'm ready to put it behind us.

Linh
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By Kathymember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 10721, member since Wed Mar 05, 2003
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 07:23 AM
Ok, I´m still confused, but thanks for your answer.

Kathy
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Munkensteinmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 14381, member since Mon Aug 11, 2003
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:22 AM
Edited by munkstein (71404) on 2005-03-01 10:12:00 I can't type, as usual.
Well, just so everyone knows, when I was joking about the finger things, we weren't joking about how they looked like condoms...I don't even think it was mentioned. We just thought it was funny to be making clay pots with plastic fingers...but hey, it's just another example of what some people construe as one thing while the rest of us don't...and now that someone said it, I'm seeing them as looking like condoms. So...somehow my own avatar being interpreted by other people has further corrupted my mind...thanks guys. :?
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By fairy_dustmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 6586, member since Sun Jan 20, 2002
On Tue Mar 01, 2005 03:48 PM
^ Hehehe... That reminds me of a bartender at a local lounge who was wearing one of those covers once when I went in (he had cut his finger and was wearing it for sanitation reasons since it keeps everything sealed in), and he called it a "finger condom".

A question:

If I decide to use a religious picture as an avatar, would it be acceptable? It would not be a spiteful one or anything intended to be inflammatory, it would likely be a pic of a religious item (such as a crucifix or rosary), a saint, or other things that you'd expect to see at a Christian bookstore or Catholic gathering.
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards (karma: 1)
By tutulessmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 5351, member since Fri Mar 26, 2004
On Wed Mar 02, 2005 05:11 AM
Would fairy_dust herself even be allowed as an avatar... since she is the most catholic person I know, one could see her as a statement.

;)
re: Inflammatory avatars are inappropriate, use the debate boards
By Wedgemember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 1670, member since Fri Mar 08, 2002
On Wed Mar 02, 2005 06:53 AM
Hilarious Tomato!


Celebrity24, either your previous comment was directed at me in which case you can't read as then you will realize that I've never implied that the signature was a problem, or your comment was not directed at me and instead directed at Lovely Laura in which case I guess my comment didn't apply to you did it?

So i don't have to assume anything, you either can't or you can, and judging by your replies, you can... you just don't understand very well.
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