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Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By Ozflinger Comments: 151, member since Sat Sep 01, 2007
On Sat Oct 27, 2007 08:11 PM

Following on from the "Why I don't want kids" thread - I found this great list and thought I would share it with you all - it's a good rebuttal for all those who think that you need to have children in order to leave a "legacy"!

Enjoy!

Herbert Samuel Adams
Sculptor

Scott Adams
Cartoonist, Dilbert

Charles Addams
Cartoonist, The New Yorker

Nancy Addison
Soap Opera Actress

Louisa May Alcott
Author of Little Women

Cynthia May Westover Alden
Author, Philanthropist

Grover Cleveland Alexander
Baseball Player

Suzy Allegra
Author

Marty Allen
Comedian

John Murray Anderson
Musical Theatre Producer

Laurie Anderson
Performance Artist

Marian Anderson
Concert Singer

Louis Andriessen
Composer

Susan B. Anthony
Womans' Suffragist

Samuel Appleton
Politician/ Philanthropist

Louis Armstrong
Musician

Boris Artzybasheff
Artist

Dorothy Arzner
Film Director

Dr. Robert C. Atkins
Diet Doctor, Author, Creator of the Atkins Diet

V.C. Andrews
Author

Jane Austen
Author of Sense and Sensibility

Alan Ayckbourn
Playwright

Max Baer Jr.
Jethro from the Beverly Hillbillies

Francis Bacon
Politician, Philosopher, Scientist

Florence Bailey
Author, Naturalist, Ornithologist

Tallulah Bankhead
Actress

Abdullah al-Baradouni
Yemeni Poet

Bob Barker
Game Show Host

Joe Barr
Canadian Politician

Lynda Barry
Cartoonist

Kathy Bates
Actress

King Baudouin
King of Belgium

Samuel Beckett
Author, Playwright, Poet

Ludwig Van Beethoven
Composer

Joe Besser
Actor, Replaced Shemp Howard as the Third Stooge

Isabella Bird
Author

Jacqueline Bisset
Actress

Lewis Black
Comedian

Eubie Blake
Musician/ Composer

William Blake
Artist

Marc Blitzstein
Composer, Dramatist

Baroness Karen Blixen
Author, "Out of Africa"

Pierre Bonnard
Artist

William Edgar Borah
Politician

Lara Flynn Boyle
Actress

Nathaniel Branden
Author/ Psychologist

Georges Brassens
Singer

Joe Bob Briggs / aka John Bloom
Author, Movie Critic

Raymond Briggs
Children's Book Author

Poppy Z. Brite
Author

Anne Bronte
Author

Louise Brooks
Actress

Helen Gurley Brown
Feminist, Editor

Reno Browne
Actress, Equestrian

Delta Burke
Actress

James Buchanan
15th U.S. President

Pat Buchanan
Politician/ Presidential Candidate

James Burke
Creator of the PBS Series "Connections"/ Scientific American columnist

Raymond Burr
Actor

Leo Buscaglia
Author

Brett Butler
Actress, Comedian

Pat Byrnes
Cartoonist

Maria Callas
Opera Singer

Julia Cameron
Director

Phyllis Carlyle
Film Producer, Se7en, The Accidental Tourist

Dora Carrington
Bloomsbury Artist

Laura Carroll
Author, Families of Two

Mary Casatt
Artist

Roger Casement
Irish Patriot

Nina Cassian
Poet

Barbara Castle
British Politician

Kim Catrall
Actress

Mary Chapin Carpenter
Singer / Songwriter

Rosamond Halsey Carr
Founder of Rwanda's Imbabazi Orphanage, Author, Fashion Designer

Richard Chamberlain
Actor, Star of Shogun

Coco Chanel
Fashion Designer, Dancer, Spy

Stockard Channing
Actress, Star of Smoke

Judy Chicago
Artist

Margaret Cho
Comedian

Julia Child
Professional Chef, Cookbook Author

Helen Clark
New Zealand Prime Minister

Patricia Clarkson
Actress, Far From Heaven

Dorothy Clewes
Childrens' Book Author

George Clooney
Actor

Imogene Coca
Actress

Claudette Colbert
Actress

Billy Collins
U.S. Poet Laureate

C. Collodi
Author of Pinocchio

William Conrad
Actor

Frances Conroy
Actress

Storm Constantine
Fantasy Writer

Jill Ker Conway
Author, first woman President of Smith College

Anne Cool
Canadian Senator

Pat Coombs
Actress

Copernicus
Scientist

John Corbett
Actor

Joseph Cornell
Artist and Creator of the Cornell Box

Ann Coulter
Political Commentator

Simon Cowell
Actor

Alec Sadler Craig
Australian Politician / Philanthropist

Quentin Crisp
Author / Actor

Tim Curry
Actor

Charlotte Curtis
First woman on the masthead of The New York Times

Patrika Darbo
Actress

Simone de Beauvoir
Author of The Second Sex

Mahmoud Darwish
Palestinian Poet

Leonardo Da Vinci
Artist

Gray Davis
Governor of California

Ellen Degeneres
Comedian

Bessie and Sadie Delaney
Authors, "Having Our Say: The Delany Sisters' First 100 Years"

Jeffery Deaver
Author

Eugene Victor Debs
Activist

Don DeLillo
Author, White Noise

Del Rubio Triplets
1950's Musical Group

Bo Derek
Actress, Star of 10

Rene Descartes
Philosopher

Loretta Devine
Actress

Emily Dickinson
Poet

Portia De Rossi
Actress

Ani DiFranco
Singer/Songwriter

Benjamin Disraeli
Politician, Author

Steve Ditko
Cartoonist/ co-creator with Writer Stan Lee

Dorothea Dix
Educator, writer, philanthropist

Hannah Dobryn
Author of the Katy Green Mysteries

Elizabeth Dole
Reagan's Secretary of Transportation

Lizzie Douglas
Singer, Guitarist, Songwriter

Marjory Stoneman Douglas
Environmentalist

Maureen Dowd
Columnist

Sir George Downing
Founder of Downing College/ Cambridge, England

Gabriel Dumont
Native American Tribal Leader

Francis Drake
Explorer

Esther Dyson
Author, Internet Expert

Amelia Earhart
Aviator

Deborah Eisenberg
Author

Liubov Egorova
Dancer

T.S. Eliot
Poet

Havelock Ellis
Psychologist, Author

Harlan Ellison
Author

Elizabeth I
Queen of England

Joan Elm
Canadian Politician/ Commiunity Activist

Bonnie Erbe
PBS Commentator and Columnist

(Dame) Edith Evans
British Film and Stage Actress, Star of A Passage to India

Linda Evans
Actress, Star of Dallas

Anne Ewers
CEO of the Utah Symphony & Opera

Edie Falco
Actress

Chow Yun-Fat
Actor

William Faulkner
Author

Barbara Feldon
Actress, Agent 99 on the TV Series, Get Smart

Pamelyn Ferdin
Actress

Ralph Fiennes
Actor, Star of The English Patient

Lynn Fontanne
Actress

Juliana Rieser Force
Whitney Museum Director

Richard Ford
Author of The Sportswriter/ Editor of Granta

Margaretta Forten
Abolitionist

Dian Fossey
Anthropologist

Janet Frame
Poet

Felix Frankfurter
Supreme Court Justice

Tanya Franks
Actress

William Frawley
Actor, Star of I Love Lucy

Frank Frazetta
Artist

Stephen Frears
Film Director

Alice Freeman
First woman to be president of a liberal arts college, (Wellesley)/ Helped establish the University of Chicago.

Elsie Freund
Artist, Jewelry Designer

Louis Freund
Artist

Robert Fripp
Composer/ Musician

Eva Gabor
Actress

Magda Gabor
Actress

Maxwell Gage
Noted New Zealand Geologist

Diamanda Galas
Singer

Tess Gallagher
Author

Paul William Gallico
Author

Janeane Garafalo
Actress, Comedian

Greta Garbo
Actress

Greer Garson
Actress

Gloria Gaynor
Singer

Anthony Geary
Soap Opera Actor

William Schwenck Gilbert
Composer for Gilbert & Sullivan

Althea Gibson
Tennis Pioneer who broke the color line on the Grand Slam tennis circuit and won consecutive women's singles titles at Wimbledon and at the U.S. national championships

Lillian Gish
Actress

Katharine Bruce Glasier
Author

Susan Glaspell
Playwright

Sharon Gless
Actress

Crispin Glover
Actor

Robert Hutchings Goddard
Physicist

Kurt Godel
Author

Stephen Goldin
Author

Emma Goldman
Activist, Feminist

Valeria Golino
Actress

Christoph Willibald Gluck
Composer

Jeff Goldblum
Actor, Star of Jurassic Park

Jan Goodwin
Author, Travel Writer

Edward Gorey
Artist

Lotte Goslar
Dancer

Alexander Godunov
Actor/ Dancer

Martha Graham
Choreographer

Hugh Grant
Actor

Cecil Green
Former CEO of Texas Instruments, Philanthropist

Johnny Green
Musician

Gael Greene
Food Critic, Author

(Baroness) Susan Greenfield
Director of the Royal Institution/ Professor of Synaptic Pharmacology at Oxford University, Neurologist

John Robert Gregg
Inventor of the Gregg Shorthand Method/ Publisher

Joyce Grenfell
British Actress

Nanci Griffith
Singer / Songwriter

Martha Griffiths
First Female Michigan Lieutenant Governor.

Terry Gross
NPR Host, Fresh Air

James Grout
Actor

Mabel Dole Haden
Former President of NABWA

Arsenio Hall
TV Host

Daryl Hall
Singer, Musician

Lionel Hampton
Musician

Georg Friedrich Handel
Composer

Daryl Hannah
Actress

Howard Harold Hanson
Pulitzer-Prize Winning Composer

Warren Gamaliel Harding
29th U.S. President

E Chambré Hardman
Photographer

Debbie Harry
Singer, Blondie

Alex Heard
Author

Susan Helms
Astronaut

Adrian Henri
Poet/ Painter

Marguerite Henry
Children's Book Author

Katherine Hepburn
Actress

Milton S. Hershey
Founder of the Hershey Chocolate Company

Lorena Hickok
AP Political Reporter

Taiko Hirabayashi
Author

Nicole Hollander
Cartoonist

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Justice

Grace Murray Hopper
Often referred to as the "mother of the computer'. Hopper was arguably the world's most famous programmer and the most influential woman in the history of computing. She also was a Rear Admiral in the Navy.

Hedda Hopper
Actress

Soad Hosni
Egyptian Actress

Lila Kedrova Howard
Actress

Mick Hucknall
Singer

Bonnie Hunt
Actress

Kristin Hunter
Childrens' Author

Lauren Hutton
Actress / Model

Patricia Ireland
President of the National Organization for Women/ NOW

George J. Irbe
Creator of the Great Lakes water temperature climatology

John A. "Jack" Jackson
Philanthropist/ Oilman

Tove Jansson
Childrens' Book Author

Randall Jarrell
Poet

Joan Jett
Musician, Singer

Joan of Arc
Christian Saint

Elton John
Singer

Jack Johnson
First African American to win the heavyweight boxing championship of the world.

Margaret Johnston
Actress

Martin and Osa Johnson
Authors, Photographers, explorers, and naturalists. Best remembered for their numerous movies and books about the wildlife and people of Africa, Borneo, and the South Seas.

Richard Mentor Johnson
U.S. Vice-president in Early 1800s

Samuel Johnson
Author, Editor

William Hugh Johnston
Labor Leader

Carolyn Jones
Actress, Morticia from the Addams Family

Spike Jonze
Film Director

Madeline Kahn
Actress, Star of Blazing Saddles

Immanuel Kant
Philosopher

Julie Kavner
Actress

Nikos Kazantzakis
Author

Odette Keene
Musician

Helen Keller
Author

Joyce Kennard
Judge

Joe Kernan
Politician

Maynard Keynes
Bloomsbury Economist. Also founded the Vic-Wells Ballet and financed the establishment of the Arts Theatre in Cambridge, England

King Louis XVI
King of France

William Lyon MacKenzie King
Former Canadian Prime Minister

William Rufus King
U.S. Vice-President in the early 1800s

Caroline Knapp
Author

Aleksandra Kollontai
Author

Dean Koontz
Author

Tadeusz Kosciuszko
Polish Patriot

Jerzy Kosinski
Author

Jonathan Kozol
Author, Activist

Lee Krasner
Artist, Wife of Jackson Pollock

Albert Kroc
Co-Developer of McDonald's Fast Food Chain

Dennis Kucinich
US Representative/ Presidential Candidate

Henry Richardson Labouisse
Diplomat/ Former Head of Unicef

Princess Lakshmi
Indian Princess

Elsa Lanchester
Actress

Philip Larkin
Author, Poet

Charles Laughton
Actor, Director

Dan Lauria
Actor

Frank John Lausche
Politician

Linda Lavin
Actress

Tom Lehrer
Singer/ Musician

Jay Leno
TV Host

Richard Lewis
Comedian

Lyn Lifshin
Poet

Queen Liliuokalani
Queen of Hawaii

Carole Lombard
Actress

Jack Lord
Actor, Hawaii Five-O

Pauline Lord
Actress

Patty Loveless
Singer

Alfred Lunt
Actor

John Lyon
Philanthropist, Regarded as the Founder Of The Great Public School Of Harrow

Rose McClendon
Actress

Robert McCormick
Former Owner of the Chicago Tribune

Mary Jackson McCrorey
Politician, Activist

Hattie McDaniel
Actress, Star of Gone With the Wind

Roddy McDowall
Actor, Photographer

Odd McIntyre
Newspaper Columnist

Ian McKellen
Actor, Star of The Lord of the Rings Trilogy

Kristy McNichol
Actress

Janet McTeer
Actress

Christine McVie
Singer / Songwriter, Fleetwood Mac

Dora Maar
Photographer, Lover of Picasso

René Magritte
Artist

Bill Maher
Former Host of Politically Incorrect

Katherine Mansfield
Author

Miriam Margoyles
Actress

Mary Ellen Mark
Award-Winning Photographer

Steve Martin
Comedian, Actor, Star of Housesitter

Vito Anthony Marcantonio
Politician

Wink Martindale
Game Show Host

Bobbie Ann Mason
Childrens' Book Author

Mari Matsunaga
Creator of i-mode, Named One of the Top 25 Tech Women of the Web

Giuseppe Mazzini
Italian Patriot

Fradique de Menezes
President of Sao Tome and Principe

Freddie Mercury
Musician

George Michael
Musician

Oscar Micheaux
Film Director/ Producer, Authror

Alyssa Milano
Actress

Edna St. Vincent Millay
Poet

Alley Mills
Actress

Helen Mirren
Actress, Star of Gosford Park

Margaret Mitchell
Author

Eugenio Montale
Nobel Prize Winner, Poet, Author, Editor, Translator

Vicki Moore
Spanish Animal Rights Philanthropist

Esai Morales
Actor, Star of La Bamba

John Morgan
Founder of the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, and Medical Director of the Continental Army

Lady Morgan (Sydney Owenson)
Author

Rob Morse
Columnist/ San Francisco Chronicle

Marjorie "Mo" Mowlam
Britain's Secretary of State for Northern Ireland

Diana Muldaur
Actress

Ona Munson
Actress, Gone With the Wind

Haruki Murakami
Author, Former Tokyo Jazz Club Owner

Iris Murdoch
Author

Mikayil Mushfig
Poet

Modest Mussorgsky
Composer

Kanagarajah Muthiah
Tamil Activist

Mike Myers
Actor

Ralph Nader
Activist

Taslima Nasrin
Author

Alla Nazimova
Actress

Noel Neill
Actress, "Lois Lane" on TV's Superman

Bebe Neuwirth
Actress, Star of Cheers

Sir Isaac Newton
Scientist

Stevie Nicks
Singer, Fleetwood Mac

Friedrich Nietzsche
Philosopher

Florence Nightingale
Nurse

Ursula Nordstrom
Childrens' Book Editor/ Harper & Row

Jessye Norman
Opera Singer

Hermione Norris
Actress

Rudolph Nureyev
Dancer

Georgia O'Keeffe
Artist

Frederick D. O'Neal
Actor/ Playwright

Joyce Carol Oates
Author

Claire Parker
Director, Animator

Dorothy Parker
Author

Suzanne-Lori Parks
Playwright

Rosa Parks
Activist

Dolly Parton
Singer / Actress

Julia Pascal
Playwright

Ann Patchett
Author

Alicia Patterson
Editor

Wolfgang Pauli
Physicist

Linus Pauling
Winner of Nobel Prizes in Chemistry and Peace

Anna Pavlova
Dancer

Molly Peacock
Poet/ President Emerita of the Poetry Society of America

Minnie Pearl
Singer

Samuel Pepys
Author

Bernadette Peters
Actress, Star of Impromptu

Arthur Phillip
First British Administrator Sent to Australia

Wendell Phillips
Orator and Reformer

William Phillips
Cofounder and Editor of Partisan Review , Writer, Critic

Marge Piercy
Author/ Poet

Plato Philosopher

Katherine Ann Porter
Author

Beatrix Potter
Children's Book Author

Charles Edward Potter
Politician/ Philanthropist/ Administrator of the Cheboygan County Bureau of Social Aid from 1938 to 1942

Joyce Purnick
Former New York Times Metro Editor, Journalist

Colin Quinn
Comedian

Robin Quivers
Radio Host

Raffi
Childrens' Musician

Bonnie Raitt
Singer / Songwriter

Joey Ramone
Musician

Ayn Rand
Writer / Philosopher, Author of Atlas Shrugged

A. Philip Randolph
Politician

Jeanette Rankin
1st Female US Representative

Man Ray
Artist

Lou Reed
Singer, Musician

George Reeves
Actor, Star of the Superman television series

Frances Reid
Soap Opera Actress

Leni Riefenstahl
Filmmaker

Janet Reno
Former U.S. Attorney-General

Judith Resnick
Astronaut

Jennifer Rhodes
Actress

Condoleezza Rice
National Security Advisor

Cliff Richards
Musician

Miranda Richardson
Actress

Alan Rickman
Actor / Director

Sally Ride
First American Female Astronaut

Bridget Riley
Artist

John Ringling
Founder, Ringling Brothers Circus

Morgan Andrew Robertson
Author

Debbie Rochon
B Movie Actress

Norman Perceval Rockwell
Illustrator

Eric Rohmann
Author, Winner of the 2003 Caldecott Medal for Best Illustrated Children's Book

Joey Ramone
Musician

Richard Roeper
Film Reviewer, Chicago Sun-Times

Rebecca Romijn-Stamos
Actress

Wilhelm Rontgen
Awarded the first Nobel Prize for Physics in 1901, discoverer of X-Rays

Mickey Rourke
Actor/ Boxer

Joan Ruddock
Activist

John Ruskin
Author

Dr. Lee Salk
Child Psychologist

Renu Saluja
Indian Film Editor

Diana Sands
Actress

Aligi Sassu
Artist

John Sayles
Director

Jean-Paul Sartre
Existential Philosopher

Diane Sawyer
TV News Anchor

Rosika Schwimmer
Author, Activist

Ed and Thelma Schoenberger
Co-founders of the Indiana Flower & Patio Show

Albert Schweitzer
Nobel Peace Prize Winner, Medical Missionary, Theologian, Musician, and Philosopher

Ellen Browning Scripps
Newspaper Columnist, Philanthropist

Joel Schumacher
Film Director

Maurice Sendak
Children's Book Author, Where the Wild Things Are

George Bernard Shaw
Playwright

Michael Sinelnikoff
Actor

Siouxsie
Singer/ Musician, Siouxsie and the Banshees

Robert Smith
Singer/ Musician, The Cure

David Shogren
Bassist, Doobie Brothers

Betty Smith
Author

Dodie Smith
Playwright, Author of The Hundred and One Dalmatians

Howard Worth Smith
Politician

Kate Smith
Singer

Lemony Snicket (Real Name: Daniel Handler)
Childrens' Book Author

David Souter
Supreme Court Justice

Jill St. John
Actress

Mabel Stark
World's Greatest Female Tiger Trainer

Gertrude Stein
Author, Patron of the Arts

Victor Strauss
WWII Journalist

Gloria Steinem
Activist/ Writer

Maria W. Stewart
Author, Activist

Lily Strickland
Composer, Writer, Artist

Patrick Swayze
Actor

Loretta Swit
Actress

Wanda Sykes
Stand Up Comic

Wislawa Szymborska
Nobel Prize Winning Poet

Quentin Tarantino
Director of Pulp Fiction

Sara Teasdale
Poet

Toni Tennille
Singer, Captain and Tennille

Nikola Tesla
Scientist, Inventor

Theodora
Empress and wife of Justinian I

Marlo Thomas
Actress

Susanna Thompson
Actress

Georgianne Thon
Actress

M. Carey Thomas
President of Bryn Mawr College

Marlo Thomas
Actress

Willie Mae Thornton
Singer/ Songwriter

Jennifer Tilly
Actress

Wendy Tokunaga
Author

Lily Tomlin
Actress, Playwright

Ann Turkel
Model

Randy Travis
Singer

Edward Tylor
Anthropologist

Andrew Vachss
Novelist

Vivian Vance
Actress, Star of I Love Lucy

Zebulon Baird Vance
Politician

Luthur Vandross
Singer

Ann Van Dyk
Cheetah Preservationist

Reginald VelJohnson
Actor

Mariska Veres
Singer, The Shocking Blue

Amerigo Vespucci
Navigator

Carl Vinson
Politician

Marilyn Vos Savant
Columnist

Larry Wachowski
Film Director

Christopher Walken
Actor

Bob Wallace
Computer Shareware Pioneer, Philanthropist, Founding Employee of Microsoft

Elizabeth Stuart Phelps Ward
Author

Ethel Waters
Actress, Evangelist, Singer

John Waters
Director

Alberta Watson
Canadian Actress

Bill Watterson
Cartoonist, Creator of Calvin and Hobbes

Sigourney Weaver
Actress

Dawn Wells
Actress, Gilligan's Island

Eudora Welty
Author

Mae West
Actress, Comedian

Edith Wharton
Author

Raymond Milner Wheeler
Civil Rights Activist

Baroness White
Former UK Labour Government Minister

Betty White
Actress, Star of The Mary Tyler Moore Show

Margaret Bourke-White
Photographer

Sarah Helen Power Whitman
Poet, Essayist, Transcendentalist

Walt Whitman
Poet

Richard (Dick) Whittington
English Philanthropist made famous by the children's book, Dick Whittington

Ann Widdecombe
UK Member of Parliament

Toyah Wilcox
Punk Rocker, Activist

Thornton Wilder
Playwright

Barry Williams
Actor, The Brady Bunch

Lucinda Williams
Musician

Wendy O. Williams
Singer, The Plasmatics

August Wilson
Pulizer Prize Winning Playwright

Bill W. (Wilson)
Founder of Alcoholics Anonymous

Oprah Winfrey
Talk Show Host

Simpson Windsor
Duchess of Windsor

Edgar Winter
Musician

Jeanette Winterson
Author

Robert Winship Woodruff
Former CEO of Coca Cola/ Philanthropist

Virginia Woolf
Author, Mrs. Dalloway

Orville Wright
Aviator

Stephen J. Wright
College President/ Fisk University

Wilbur Wright
Aviator

Yanni
Composer

Dwight Yokam
Singer, Actor

Marguerite Yourcenar
Author/ First Woman To Be Elected To The Academie Francaise

David Young
Almanac Maker, Astronomer, Poet

YuPen
Chinese Actor, Singer

Babe Didrikson Zaharias
Olympic Athlete/ Greatest female athlete in the first half of the 20th Century

Billy Zane
Actor

Stephanie Zimbalist
Actress

Émile Zola
Author

26 Replies to Famous childfree people throughout history

re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By lisskmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 6639, member since Thu Jul 21, 2005
On Sat Oct 27, 2007 08:14 PM
I bet there's a ton of women out there who'd love to give George Clooney a child or two. ;)
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By m_rc Comments: 2274, member since Tue Jul 11, 2006
On Sat Oct 27, 2007 08:34 PM
Yanni?

Thank god he didn't have kids...that's all I'll say.
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By DTeacher Comments: 3465, member since Fri Sep 21, 2007
On Sat Oct 27, 2007 09:13 PM
Edited by DTeacher (185765) on 2007-10-27 21:17:37
Edited by DTeacher (185765) on 2007-10-27 21:23:16
Comment detached
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By lisskmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 6639, member since Thu Jul 21, 2005
On Sat Oct 27, 2007 09:18 PM
^If you're so over it, then why are you persisting? Prove your point of giving it a rest; lead by example.
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By maureensiobhan Comments: 4555, member since Wed Dec 24, 2003
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 09:43 AM
Forgive me for intruding on your board. I'm forty-something, but I'd like to add to this list some more famous people who were childless.

Mary
queen of Scotland


Elizabeth Barrett Browning
poet

Isadora Duncan
modern dancer

Mikhail Baryshnikov
dancer

George Balanchine
choreographer, director of New York City Ballet

Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard, Catherine Parr
fourth, fifth, and sixth wives respectively of Henry VIII, king of England (He had a child by Chatherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, and Jane Seymore, but not with these other three. They were, then, childless.)

Charlotte Bronte
author of "Jane Eyre"
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By Meganmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 12798, member since Wed Mar 17, 2004
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 09:49 AM
^Katherine Parr did have a child, just not with Henry- she remarried after his death and actually died from complications from the birth. Just sayin'.
re: Famous childfree people throughout history (karma: 1)  en>fr fr>en
By tumblebugPremium member Comments: 10099, member since Fri Mar 29, 2002
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:33 AM
Edited by tumblebug (25049) on 2007-10-28 12:00:34
Edited by tumblebug (25049) on 2007-10-28 12:01:44
Just wanted to add, there is also a big difference between

CHILDLESS

and

CHILDFREE

If you wanted to conceive and/or attempted to conceive, then you are not with the 'childfree' organization. Childfree does not want children and does not try to conceive children- is that correct? I think that would change the list.

www.scifi.com . . .
Did playing a mom on screen make you want children in real life?
Romijn-Stamos: I would like to have children within the next 4 to 5 years, certainly.

Hmm, well I guess she isn't 'childfree' is she? She wants to have children.

There are several on that list that desire to have children.


I am in no way arguing that you need to have children to leave a legacy.
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 8863, member since Sat Jul 19, 2003
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:38 PM
I was about to say the same thing as tumble.

While there were quite a few people on the list from modern times, but a lot are from a long time ago. While they didn't have children, chances are infertility played into it for some of those people.

Anyhow, great thread. Children are many people's best personal accomplishments, but I think everyone should try to make professional accomplishments, whether through a career, or volunteering.
re: Famous childfree people throughout history en>fr fr>en
By Arakmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 18113, member since Sun Aug 13, 2000
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 01:13 PM
Edited by Arak (4524) on 2007-10-28 13:15:44
Isadora Duncan
modern dancer

Isadora had two children, Dierdre and Patrick. They died in a terrible accident when the car they were in rolled into the Seine, but she still had them. She loved being a mother, and she wanted to become one so badly that she defied the cultural stigmas of the day about unmarried women having children. In fact, each of her children had a different father. They were the light of her life, and she would probably roll over in her grave if she knew someone thought she didn't have them, or that they didn't matter because they didn't survive to adulthood.

But I'm just curious as to "who" exactly says that children are necessary in order to "leave a legacy", and why we feel the need to present so many examples of childless people in order to feel justified in not wanting any...?

Honestly, some of the people on the list, especially some of the women, either never married (and weren't Isadora Duncan) or else died before they really had much of a chance to concieve. In order to determine if they never married and never gave birth by choice or by the hand of fate would require a thorough reading of each of their biographies, so it's not really accurate to present every single one of them as examples to support your own argument of choosing to be childless when you don't know if they themselves chose to be childless.

A better approach would have been to research a few and actually confirm that not having children was, indeed, their choice and not due to some other circumstance like infertility or premature death.
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By Ozflinger Comments: 151, member since Sat Sep 01, 2007
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 08:07 PM
I didn't post this list to start another debate - I just thought it was interesting, and yes I HAVE been asked the "legacy" question many times - obviously someone who has children or who plans on having them wouldn't know anything about that. If you want to argue with me, keep it to PMs.
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By tumblebugPremium member Comments: 10099, member since Fri Mar 29, 2002
On Sun Oct 28, 2007 09:02 PM
No one is trying to argue with you. However, when you post something and state it to be one thing and it is another, people are going to point out the truth.
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By Arakmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 18113, member since Sun Aug 13, 2000
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 06:10 AM
Sorry, but I'm not going to censor my opinion by only presenting it via PM (where it can be ignored/deleted by you and unseen by anyone else) if it doesn't match your idea of what ought to be posted on YOUR thread. Remember that YOUR thread is posted on a public message board where everyone is entitled to post what they want, where they want to post it. That includes you and the people who agree with you, and it also includes people who disagree with you or think that your presentation of information is flawed.
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By Ozflinger Comments: 151, member since Sat Sep 01, 2007
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 05:52 PM
I like how you assume that I would ignore/delete your PM. Maybe that's what you would do, but I certainly woudn't.
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By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 8863, member since Sat Jul 19, 2003
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 07:01 PM
^I'm exceptionally glad you aren't having children. My 13 year old sister has a better attitude than you.

You're a n00b. We get it. However, we do things a certain way here on DDN, and that does NOT involve censoring our ideas to appease others. You made a mistake in not double checking to make sure these people truly WANTED to be childfree, and Kara called you out on it. She was right, you were wrong. Get over it and move on.
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By PinUpGirlmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 25785, member since Tue Jul 16, 2002
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 07:15 PM
Jane Austen never married, so socially, she couldn't have children. No one can know whether she wanted kids or not, but it was moot as long as she was unmarried. The same is true for the Brontes. Unmarried women in the 18th and early 19th centuries certainly weren't popping out kids. If they did, it was kept hush-hush.

Walt Whitman was gay, so he probably wasn't going to be getting married to a woman and having kids, either.

From a historical and biographical perspective, it's pretty stupid to make a list like this. To truly be effective, it should be restricted to times and cultures where it was appropriate (or mostly) for people to have illegitimate children. This list would be a heck of a lot shorter if the listmaker took the time to consider these things.
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By Ozflinger Comments: 151, member since Sat Sep 01, 2007
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 07:53 PM
Edited by Ozflinger (184916) on 2007-10-29 20:16:09
SilenceBroken wrote:

^I'm exceptionally glad you aren't having children. My 13 year old sister has a better attitude than you.

You're a n00b. We get it. However, we do things a certain way here on DDN, and that does NOT involve censoring our ideas to appease others. You made a mistake in not double checking to make sure these people truly WANTED to be childfree, and Kara called you out on it. She was right, you were wrong. Get over it and move on.


Wow, are you going to be passing that lovely attitude on to your children? I have not been rude to anyone on this thread, YOU are the one being catty and immature.

It's become quite obvious to me that no one on this website is allowed to voice any opinion or post anything that may upset the mommies. I realise it's a "family-friendly" place, but it's all just a bit much. So yeah, I think I will be "moving on" as I guess I'm just not interested in censoring my opinions in order not to offend the breeders on here.
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By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 8863, member since Sat Jul 19, 2003
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:15 PM
Lol. Ok. I'm immature. Kara pointed out that this was not an accurate list, and you jumped all over everyone. Get over it.

And yes, my children will sure as hell know to stand up for themselves and call people out on their mistakes.
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By tumblebugPremium member Comments: 10099, member since Fri Mar 29, 2002
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:35 PM
^Actually several people pointed out mistakes on the list, hence the reason why he/she jumped all over everyone.

Ozflinger is just a troll and needs to be fed drama cookies to survive.
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By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 8863, member since Sat Jul 19, 2003
On Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:47 PM
Thanks, how on earth did I forget to mention PinUp?

Yep, I'm busy bakin' me some drama cookies to fed OZ.
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By dance4kixmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 488, member since Mon Oct 17, 2005
On Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:44 AM
Great post! I really don't mind if there are people on the list that may have wanted children, and I don't feel like that matters much. The point was that it is very easy to be sucessful without a child. I have a kid; yes he is cute, but my dreams and goals have been put on hold. It is easier to acomplish things without a child.

I can't believe all of the rude remarks on this post. There are better ways to debate than to say childish remarks.
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By tumblebugPremium member Comments: 10099, member since Fri Mar 29, 2002
On Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:53 AM
Laulaa- ^Katherine Parr did have a child, just not with Henry- she remarried after his death and actually died from complications from the birth. Just sayin'.
Tumble-Did playing a mom on screen make you want children in real life?
Romijn-Stamos: I would like to have children within the next 4 to 5 years, certainly.
Arak-Isadora had two children, Dierdre and Patrick. They died in a terrible accident when the car they were in rolled into the Seine, but she still had them. She loved being a mother, and she wanted to become one so badly that she defied the cultural stigmas of the day about unmarried women having children. In fact, each of her children had a different father. They were the light of her life, and she would probably roll over in her grave if she knew someone thought she didn't have them, or that they didn't matter because they didn't survive to adulthood.
PinUp-Jane Austen never married, so socially, she couldn't have children. No one can know whether she wanted kids or not, but it was moot as long as she was unmarried. The same is true for the Brontes. Unmarried women in the 18th and early 19th centuries certainly weren't popping out kids. If they did, it was kept hush-hush.
Walt Whitman was gay, so he probably wasn't going to be getting married to a woman and having kids, either.


Yes there was definitely false info there.

Great post! I really don't mind if there are people on the list that may have wanted children, and I don't feel like that matters much. The point was that it is very easy to be sucessful without a child. I have a kid; yes he is cute, but my dreams and goals have been put on hold. It is easier to acomplish things without a child.

I can't believe all of the rude remarks on this post. There are better ways to debate than to say childish remarks.


Yes you can leave a legacy without a child.
I agree, Ozflinger has made several rude comments in response to false information.
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By Arakmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 18113, member since Sun Aug 13, 2000
On Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:59 PM
Emily Dickinson
She was a recluse. Nothing else to say about it.

T. S. Eliot
www.english.uiuc.edu . . .
His wife, Vivian Haigh-Wood, had a "history of emotional and physical problems" that continued to deteriorate throughout their marriage. After she nearly died in 1923, their marriage steadily deteriorated. They separated in 1925 and she was committed to a mental hospital in 1937. He had several severe mental breakdowns himself over the years.

Elizabeth I
Never married. She was too public of a figure to have a child out of wedlock. Imagine what such a scandal would have done to the English monarchy.

Joan of Arc
Died at 19. She was only about 16 when she began her military campaign to drive the English out of France. So she never really had a chance to even try to procreate.

Elton John
Gay.

Louis XVI - HAD CHILDREN
www.louis-xiv.de . . .
"After a series of celebrated liaisons with mistresses, notably Louise de la Valliere and Madame de Montespan, Louis settled down to a more sedate life with Madame de Maintenon, whom he secretly married about 1683. She shared with Louis the grief of lost battles and the successive deaths of all but two of his direct descendants. The two who survived him were his grandson Philip V of Spain and a great-grandson who became Louis XV when the Sun King died on Sept. 1, 1715." In order to have a grandson, one must first have a son. Or a daughter.

Liliuokalani
www.uic.edu . . .
Husband died not long after she assumed the throne. Having been heavily influenced by Western culture, she did not have a child out of wedlock. She never remarried.

Beatrix Potter
www.kirjasto.sci.fi . . .
Fiance Norman Warne died of leukemia not long after their initial engagement, leaving her emotionally devastated. She eventually married William Heelis, but at the age of 47.



Some of the people on the list are still in their physical prime. I wouldn't be surprised, for example, to hear tomorrow that Lara Flynn Boyle or George Clooney's girlfriend was expecting. Just because they haven't had kids yet doesn't mean that they won't ever.
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By Holliannamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 1308, member since Thu Nov 04, 2004
On Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:02 PM
dance4kix, you're right, it is harder to get things done with a baby...but I consider my daughter herself an accomplishment. That's just myself though, not everyone has to feel that way, but I would think of your son as an accomplishment for you.
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By delinquent Comments: 1129, member since Thu Jul 08, 2004
On Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:41 PM
Arak wrote:

Emily Dickinson
She was a recluse. Nothing else to say about it.

T. S. Eliot
www.english.uiuc.edu . . .
His wife, Vivian Haigh-Wood, had a "history of emotional and physical problems" that continued to deteriorate throughout their marriage. After she nearly died in 1923, their marriage steadily deteriorated. [/i].



Oh my gosh Arak! I thought you typed "After she DIED in 1923, their marriage steadily deteriorated!" I just about died laughing. Well, duh! I would think it WOULD deteriorate after a person in the marriage dies! lol!

Kinda like the time I wrote as the final line in a creative writing story, "He was shot and died, and no one has heard from him since."

Thanks for the giggle. It's been one o' those days!
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