30 Replies to Read David Wilkerson's Warning Yet? Are you getting ready?
I've never heard of David Wilkerson before but after reading this blog I'm thoroughly convinced he's bats*** insane. He completely disregards the Bible, the final authority on all moral righteousness and the standard by which we are to be judged, to spew hateful fear-mongering to the world.
What is even REMOTELY Jesusy about that?
In 2 Timothy 1:7, we see that God did not give us a spirit of fear. We have nothing to fear AT ALL. God is on our side and the battle is won.
What's more is that God promised to not destroy the world ever again. This is obvious from the Genesis account which says (roughly paraphrased from memory) that God looked upon all of his creation and saw that it was very good. If God sees something as very good he's not going to destroy it.
Another thing that interests me - this nutcase invokes the prophet Jeremiah. One thing he does NOT do however is give the people of America an alternative to destruction. In Biblical terms, the word "prophecy" does NOT mean a prediction of future events. Rather it serves as a warning to a people and a reminder to change their ways toward God's will. This is evidenced in the prophecy of Jonah against the city of Ninevah.
Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying "Arise, go to Nin'evah, that great city, and proclaim to it the message that I tell you." . . . Jonah began to go into the city, going a day's journey. And he cried, "Yet forty days, and Nin'evah shall be overthrown!" And the people of Nin'evah believed God; they proclaimed a fast and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them to the least of them. . . . When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God repented of the evil which he had said he would do to them; and he did not do it.
Jonah 3, RSV
In short - no, I do not believe this guy. He is a quack and a shameless sinner for spewing hate in the name of God.
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Removed by imadanseur (79325) on 2009-04-21 08:57:17 off topic.
Where did you get the "hate" part from? I did not see that.
Let's see, I probably got the "hate part" from "God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations." I'd like for him to define exactly which "raging sins" America is guilty of. Certain states allowing two people who love each other to get married? The idea that a woman has a choice to not inflict an unwanted child on society? That we torture terrorists and alleged terrorists?
I prefer to think of the good things we do - we've provided the most foreign aid out of any nation in the world. We've unprecedentedly supported Israel since the nation was begun. We've also taken steps to make the lives of our citizens better.
This crackpot is NOT the final arbiter of what is good, righteous, and holy.
And he didn't say the world was going to be destroyed but that there would be "calamity."
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Joseph interpreted Pharoah's dream to mean that there would be 7 good years for the crops, but then 7 years of famine, so that they could set aside food during to good years for survival during the famine years. If any of those things occured it would be wise to prepare. Heaven knows we can't count on FEMA, nor should we.
That's called "duh." Saving isn't some mystically divine concept - it's what you do in times of surplus. Anyway, we can count on FEMA as long as we're not black or impoverished. OH WAIT, Dubya is out of office!
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Removed by imadanseur (79325) on 2009-04-21 08:52:25 First of all this should have been in your previous post, second of all personal attacks like this against members will only get you banned from the site.
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Removed by imadanseur (79325) on 2009-04-21 08:56:59 EDIT YOUR PREVIOUS RESPONSE TO INCLUDE ALL THOUGHTS...you have up to 2 hours to do this. Please do not create a post for each separate person you are responding to.
Giselle777, looks like you have cast pearls before swine and boy are the pigs on the attack now.
Did you just call me a pig?
PS Jesus was a socialist.
Most countries in the world are having financial issues, we have problems with global warming, our reckless consumerism and the probable depletion of the world's natural resources, means there are many uncertain situations ahead. There will be natural disasters ahead too...that is kind of inevitable since it is just part of life. So the next natural disaster that hits people will say, "SEE THAT IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT." Um, if he is soooo prophetic why can't he be more specific? That would be because he is GUESSING just like fortune tellers and palm readers! Scaremongering won't help, and I don't think the merciless loving God I know and worship would condone it, let alone encourage it.
I think it would be better to pursue peace and justice and to learn to treat God's Creation, including other people whatever their race, sex or creed, with care and respect. Ahhhhh but what is the fun in that right?
*jumps into the mud with Caleb. oink oink*
I think it would be better to pursue peace and justice and to learn to treat God's Creation, including other people whatever their race, sex or creed, with care and respect.
Nope, nope, you're wrong, the only way to be a Christian is to hate people that just might LIKE helping the unfortunate and ending unconstitutional wars and protecting the earth of which God gave us stewardship.
Nope, Kevin Bacon wasn't in "Footloose," HEE HAWWWWWW!!!!!!!
1. If you know the "end" is near then what you should be doing is preaching Christ, not stocking up and thinking about self-preservation. Our Lord has conquered death and so we have no reason to fear it or worry about the end of our life or what the circumstances that cause it might be. Your thoughts should turn to others not to yourself.
2. God does not teach or threaten through calamity. He may allow negative circumstances into our lives in order to bring about growth and refinement in our character, but he does not throw down lightning bolts and act in anger because Jesus has reconciled us to Him. There is restoration and healing in our relationship with Him.
3. God does judge nations, but America isn't the only sinning nation.
1. Jesus reaches out His hand to all and says come, there is no death, let Me show you what Love really is and how to give your all for others, you can trust Me. He does not scream "Fornicators!" and other such things at people. The Bible says in Revelation 3:20 NKJV: Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. If he was a bolt-thrower He wouldn't politely knock and wait for you to open the door, He'd just knock DOWN the door and start hollering. Instead He waits for an invitation and then sits and eats with me, no matter what mistakes I have ever made. Jesus is a gentleman.
2. Jesus is about transformation, restoration, reconciliation, healing, eternity, and most of all LOVE.
I leave you with a funny:
VelvetRagamuffin: Since you quote the Bible as a source I believe that respect what it says. We are not to have a spirit of fear, as you quoted, but it also says that there will be perilous times in the last days and that some people's hearts will fail due to fear. The ideal is not to fear, but God knows that some will fear so much they will die of heart attacks. God promised not to destroy the earth by water again. You say that if God sees something as very good He's not going to destroy it, but the flood did occur well after creation. (How could He destroy it before it was created?) It says in Genesis 6:6 "The Lord was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain." That was because humans were so evil and violent in His sight - many years after that was the flood. And as far as an alternative to destruction, I don't think that's Wilkerson's call; it would be God's call. I think perhaps we have been called to repentence just as the Ninevites were, but we have not repented. So since we have not repented, neither will God repent of His plan as He did with Ninevah. "The only way to be a Christian is to hate people..." - true believers do not hate anyone. Why are you judging me? You know as well as I do that neither of us has the right to judge anyone.
Heart: You ask why I would believe this guy. Well, I have followed his ministry for over 30 years and feel he is a reliable believer. He has prophesied significant events in the past that came true, so I tend to believe he may be correct now, although I hope he is not. Some things he has said have not come true, but perhaps prayer and repentence changed the outcome, as in Jonah's case. The people did repent and so the destruction did not occur. That does not make God a liar or
Jonah a false prophet. Other prophets are sharing the same information, Wilkerson is just one of many.
KayElle: Good for you. I'm glad you have supplies. But not everyone does. And you are right, it is just common sense. Any number of events could call for such preparedness.
Tapizoid: See my comment to Heart. Just because something is
prophesied does not mean it will happen. Repentence, fasting, and prayer can change God's mind. Consider when Abraham was
bargaining with God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah. God considered
his request but could not comply because He could not find enough righteous people to spare the cities. There is no telling how many events have been stalled or averted because of intercession.
TheMidlakeMuse: I leave the house every day with peace and joy in my heart and I do not worry about any of this nor have I lost a moment's sleep over it. David Wilkerson is not God's only mouthpiece. There are serveral other prophetic people and ministers that are saying the same thing. I've been hearing a lot of it especially in the last year. It's just a matter of time. Again, some of it is just common sense. We know we have enemies that would love to nuke us, we know the ecomony is horrendous and millions are out of work, we know that there already are food riots around the world and have been for some time. So why would we think we in America are immune to all of this chaos? We had the Great Depression not so long ago and perhaps we are headed there again - food lines and such, and food shortages because of drought.
imadanseur: I don't see how Wilkerson's bank balance is involved in any of this. The information he sends out on the internet is available for free. You don't think God would condone warning of impending disaster? Read the prophetic books of the Old Testament. The prophets of old warned over and over of negative things to come. You say you want everyone to treat each other with respect? Please reread your first paragraph.
d4j: The warning is for calamity, not "end." It is pretty hard to minister to others if you are dead from starvation, so stocking up is just wise. And yes, I am putting up supplies for others as well just in case, as much as I can. Why do you assume selfishness? And I am not purchasing a gun to defend it either. If I die, I die. God does threaten through calamity - read the Old Testament. Yes, in the new covenant there is reconciliation and restoration that has been freely provided, but only if we come to Him. Wilkerson does not say that this is ONLY for America - other nations are already going through this crisis. Maybe Jesus never screamed "Fornicators" but He did call the hypocritical religious leaders a "brood of vipers" and
"whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones" indicating that they looked good on the outside but that He could see their hearts and hear their evil thoughts. It wasn't acceptable then and it isn't now. And remember when He cleared out the temple overturning tables and lashing a whip? He was filled with righteous, holy anger. If people believe He was a namby pamby, "let's all just get along" type of person then they are wrong. He was all about love, but there are some things
that, according to Scripture, He will not tolerate. Perhaps a crisis will draw people to Him and that is the ultimate goal. We, and He, may not like it, but it does seem to work out that way. After 9/11 churches were crammed as people are desperate in such times. When you have no where else to turn, He is there ready and waiting. But people forget and go back to their normal lives when things settle down and then they forget God.
All He wants is our companionship. That is why He created us to begin with. But man wants to go his own way and do things that are harmful to himself and others, and that grieves the heart of God because He loves His creation.
I'm sorry but I honestly couldn't be bothered to read thru all that so I'm only going to quote this one thing and maybe it hasn't already been said:
Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
I'm sorry but if God isn't gonna tell Jesus then how is some lowly human gonna be the first to know? Times nowdays are too different from back then, there's not going to be some prophet speaking God's will to the masses via the internet. :/
Yes, Jesus does tell us calamity will come. I'll bring it back to the actual text.
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?" And Jesus answered them, "Take heed that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is but the beginning of the birth-pangs. "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation, and put you to death; and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. And then many will fall away, and betray one another, and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because wickedness is multiplied, most men's love will grow cold. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
-Matthew 24:3-13 (RSV, emphasis mine)
Now when you read that passage, what do you see? Do you see some form of mystical unveiling, an elaborate prediction of the future? Or are you like any reasoning person that sees that wars, rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, famines, earthquakes, martyrdom, and betrayal have all been happening since the dawn of time? Jesus is telling us that there ARE no signs for His return. He says this because "of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only" (Matthew 24:36). He also tells his disciples after going through his spiel of calamity and destruction (as you would believe) that "this generation will not pass away till all these things take place" (Matthew 24:34).
As I've said before, the term "prophet" as it is used in the Bible is not a "predictor of events to come." It is a wise man (in the case of Daniel) or an agent of God who serves as a messenger and an advocate (as with all of the other prophets).
Edited by TheMidlakeMuse (78507) on 2009-04-22 06:49:29
Dale Carnegie wrote:
"Eighty percent of the things we worry about never happen."
So why expend the energy? There are things that won't happen that you have no control over, there are things that will happen that you have no control over, and then there are the things that will happen that you DO have control over. Why not concentrate on the items that are sure things? (No, nuclear war, widespread fires and famine are not "sure things").
As Dave Ramsey would say, "Oh, Giselle, stop being such a drama queen!"
All my ammo and food is here. Water is too heavy to carry in any practical volume. I think I'll just hang out and start my own country, Dangslovakia, and take random shots at anyone with a crooked hat or pants that aren't pulled up.
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