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re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By RileyA Comments: 2443, member since Wed Jan 04, 2006On Wed Jun 17, 2009 06:14 PM
DancingDiva736 wrote:
RileyA wrote:
So Riley, just out of curiosity, what is it that you use in your class if you follow this practice? It seems as though most of us agree that further physical activity like crunches or pushups are handed out for poor behavior. What do you do?
My opinion comes from my own experiences as well which have coloured how I deal with things. As some of you know, I have ADHD. I was the kid who loved to do jumping jacks and push ups. It was my favourite part of class, the problem with ADHD is that doing exersizes like this will tend to make the behaviour problems worse. If you are hyped up and being silly then doing things like jumping jacks and push ups and other jumping and moving around makes you more hyperactive not less. I found sitting out worked much better for me as it was quieter and calmer, which meant when being silly there was a chance to settle down rather than get more hyped up.
I know most of our students are not likle this, but often the ones with chronic behavioural difficulties are and those who are not are more likely to grow to loathe the physical exersizes.
For discipline in my classroom I use a variety of methods.
# Lots of praise and encouargement of good behaviour
# Seperating the talkers from their friends
# Sitting out for a short time out on their own
# For the younger ones (most of my students are 4-9), choosing leaders and things from the students who are working hardest.
# Missing out on fun activities
# Keeping the class very active and moving so the kids dont get a chance to get bored or talk
# Sitting out for a longer period of time if doing it for a short period of time has not stopped the behaviour.
I find sitting out works the best no matter what the age. The younger kids hate to sit still and be bored. They would rather be doing anything more than doing nothing.
For the slighlty older age group they hate the feeling that they are missing out on something, and being away from the other kids usally gives them a chance to settle down and get their heads back in the right place.
For the older kids they are often embarrassed at having to sit out and hate being seperated from their friends.
Thee methods have all worked well and I have very good behaviour in my classroom. Where possible I turn my focus and attention too encouragming and rewarding the behaviour I do want rather than giving attention to the behaviour I dont want. Kids quickly learn that its easier, faster and more fun to get attention for the good behaviour.
Of course I like every other teacher have threatened the physical punishment. Like saying "if anyone else talks they will have push ups" however the problem iss that my kids all seem to love push ups and sit ups and burpee's and any other physical exersize (I guess its true what they say that teachers attract students with similar personalities to their own). The vast majority of the 350 kids I teach each week are highly energetic fit kids, which is probably what draws them to my studio which teaches a combination of dance and gymnastics.
Of course each teather needs to do what works for them and their own kids. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By balletstar05   Comments: 3851, member since Wed Jun 25, 2003On Wed Jun 17, 2009 08:47 PM
"I find sitting out works the best no matter what the age"
Ugh, I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "YES! I get to sit out! Fine by me!"
That's when I started telling them to do crunches instead. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By tapkat5678 Comments: 9, member since Thu Aug 24, 2006On Wed Jun 17, 2009 09:54 PM
Just a thought...first of all I truly think that your approach is absolutely exceptable. I agree with the teacher who said that your studio owner should have backed you up and I would definitely consider very carefully if this is the kind of place you want to be working at. I've been teaching for 30+ years and I've finally found something that works for me. I've created a jar called the "Bravo Jar" everyone gets to put their name in it throughout the class for good behavior. Sometimes you are able to put your name in more than once if it's merited. At the end of the class you pick one name out to the jar and that student gets a prize...determined by you. It has to be good enough so that the students will work for it but you shouldn't have to mortgage you house to pay for it. You might consider placing names in the jar and picking a name at the end of the month before giving out the prize. Students that misbehave cannot put their name in the jar. After one time through they get the message. If you get them excited about the jar in a short time you should see some improvement. If you aren't comfortable with the "bribe" you might let them lead the class in an exercise for their reward. I also think that is appropriate to have them sit out for a few minutes or write down on paper why disrupting the class isn't fair to their friends. They can then give this to their parents at the end of class. Good luck...this is always a difficult problem to solve. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By tapkat5678 Comments: 9, member since Thu Aug 24, 2006On Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:01 PM
Just a thought...first of all I truly think that your approach is absolutely exceptable. I agree with the teacher who said that your studio owner should have backed you up and I would definitely consider very carefully if this is the kind of place you want to be working at. I've been teaching for 30+ years and I've finally found something that works for me. I've created a jar called the "Bravo Jar" everyone gets to put their name in it throughout the class for good behavior. Sometimes you are able to put your name in more than once if it's merited. At the end of the class you pick one name out to the jar and that student gets a prize...determined by you. It has to be good enough so that the students will work for it but you shouldn't have to mortgage you house to pay for it. You might consider placing names in the jar and picking a name at the end of the month before giving out the prize. Students that misbehave cannot put their name in the jar. After one time through they get the message. If you get them excited about the jar in a short time you should see some improvement. If you aren't comfortable with the "bribe" you might let them lead the class in an exercise for their reward. I also think that is appropriate to have them sit out for a few minutes or write down on paper why disrupting the class isn't fair to their friends. They can then give this to their parents at the end of class. Good luck...this is always a difficult problem to solve. | |
re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By RileyA Comments: 2443, member since Wed Jan 04, 2006On Thu Jun 18, 2009 05:31 AM
balletstar05 wrote:
"I find sitting out works the best no matter what the age"
Ugh, I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "YES! I get to sit out! Fine by me!"

That's when I started telling them to do crunches instead.
The thing is, that is the response I get from the kids if I give crunches or push ups. "Yay, I love push ups". Then the next kid goes "Can I do push ups as well?"
Yet in 12 years of teaching I have never had a kid WANT to sit out for being in trouble. yes occaisionally for feeling sick or very tired. Perhaps those kids don't want to be there at all. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By DancingDiva736  Comments: 3589, member since Wed Oct 17, 2007On Thu Jun 18, 2009 07:11 AM
Riley, thank you for sharing your practiced with us. It is interesting to me that your students have such a different outlook on physical activity. My students loathe the additional physical work, and like BalletStar, many of mine love to sit out. To them, it is just another "break".
I do like you and use alot of positive recognition in the classroom, but I find that I still have alot of students that need behavioral correction. I do have students sit out, especially in my classes that are under 10 or 11. Once they hit that age, then I go to the physical work instead. My older girls will take advantage of sitting out for a little while, they could care less. It is the younger ones that don't like it, so it works for them. Plus, I don't allow "can't" in the classroom, and sitting out isn't going to do the trick for correcting that problem.
I can't tell you that in my years of teaching, I have never had a student tell me they loved to do pushups in my class. Oh how I wish that I had students that were that dedicated! | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By RileyA Comments: 2443, member since Wed Jan 04, 2006On Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:40 AM
Well this is probably where the difference is too. As the vast majority of my students are under 10. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By piqueturn Comments: 96, member since Thu Dec 06, 2007On Sat Jun 20, 2009 01:22 AM
Just wanted to chime in that I've had the same problem as Riley A with giving out push ups and crunches. I tried it with one class and it totally backfired. The whole class was begging to do push ups too. I was shocked and had to rethink everything.
I have found that it really depends on the class and students. What works for one, doesn't always work for the other. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By taps2much Comments: 262, member since Mon Oct 22, 2007On Sat Jun 20, 2009 02:37 PM
OH I REALLY LIKE THE BRAVO JAR IDEA! i think I will use it with my younger kids and the name that gets drawn will get to stand up front and help me with warm-ups and another for reverence! HOORAY FOR FREE THINGS. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By teacher4life Comments: 157, member since Sun Jan 25, 2004On Sat Jun 20, 2009 07:48 PM
I do push-ups as well, particuarily for hanging on the barres, that is my biggest pet peeve, I tell them they are lucky enough to have two legs, they should stand on them, no need to lean. I always make the whole class do the pushups when one leans, it has them keeping any eye on eachother and making sure no one in their class leans on the barre. It also gives them a bit of a team feeling and they don't want to dissapoint the team. Every year I have the kid who does it on purpose, they all do the push-ups and I remind the student how much the rest of the class does not want to do the push ups. I then tell them that they are welcome to do push-ups while waiting for their turn to go across the floor, about half the class usually ends up joining in on the extra conditioning and no one leans on the barre after the first month. I do this with all classes aged 6-18. They are told in their first class, with parents in the room, so they know to expect it, I've had no complaints.
Come recital time, when we are cleaning a dance they have to do pushups when I have to repeat a correction, even if it's to a different kid, again TEAM effort. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By Dream_chaser  Comments: 21208, member since Thu Jul 26, 2001On Sun Jun 21, 2009 09:35 AM
I find that each child may need a different form of consequences for their behavior. Some kids are fine with sitting out, because they are lazy or are being made to dance, so for them, making them miss out on what they DO love is the best thing.
For kids who LOVE to do the push ups and sit ups, and that would have been me, then making them sit out might be better.
The point is not WHAT you do, but DO you give consequences for poor behavior, with the last ditch effort being removing them from class.
Giving exercise for punishment is fine... sitting out is fine... removing them from class is fine... they are all okay and none of them are illegal or wrong, it is just a matter of choosing what works best for that student, period.
I'm so sick of all the PC crap that is now accepted as the best way. If you are good you will be rewarded, if you aren't you will get punished...not fair? Actually it's totally fair because everyone has the opportunity to be well-behaved.
I totally agree with this because consistency is the key. Parents and teachers who threaten and never follow through, will never discipline a child and discipline is a must to raising a mature and decent adult. | re: "Corporal" punishment en>fr fr>en By Dance678NY Comments: 22, member since Sat May 26, 2007On Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:31 PM
The new time out is No time out. Parents forget that dance is a discipline of the mind, body and spirit meant to awaken the creative soul of each child. Not a babysitting service where their children should be treated like infants. |
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