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Twirling AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By ktdngld03 Comments: 7, member since Fri Oct 17, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 03:36 PM
Any comments on AYOP 2009 good or bad????? 33 Replies to AYOP 2009 | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By TwirlSuperstar Comments: 69, member since Tue Jan 22, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 03:40 PM
Seemed like alot of USTA people got hosed. Lantz and Freeman for example, wins worlds but only 2nds at AYOP? Ah well, congrats to all the winners! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By batonmom99 Comments: 94, member since Tue May 01, 2007On Sat Jul 25, 2009 03:44 PM
Attendance: lower than previous years
Schedule: remarkably, on time! Not as bad as everyone expected, but I hope they go back to the normal, 5 day schedule next year
Space: for the most part, their was ample practice areas and the tent villages were no where to be found!
Lines for restrooms and food: CRAZY!
Awards: didn't care for the new oscars - liked the plaques better
Judging: ?????? | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By twirlgirlsbaton Comments: 73, member since Mon Jul 07, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 04:08 PM
I liked the way dance twirl teams were run this year. I hope they do it that way next year. All advanced teams one day, all beginner teams another day. It was nice for the Tiny Tots to be able to compete where the older teams were. It was also easier to tell who your competition was. When advanced and beginner teams alternated, it was easy to lose track of who was on the floor if you didn't pay attention.
The distance from the parking lot to the entrances was atrocious. Tired twirlers and parents had an awfully long walk from the gym to the car. Luckily it didn't rain, since they didn't want people stopping and dropping off (although we found a few out of the way places close to the entrance to do that).
Results seemed to be posted much quicker than in years past.
On Thursday, a few teams took up space to practice in spots that were meant for individuals to practice and warm up. I'm thinking of one in particular who were spreading out and pushing duet pairs out of the way when they were trying to practice. Another team decided to practice exchanges in an area near a very heavily used entrance, then seemed to get annoyed when people got in their way. Given the space situation, and the fact that it was beautiful weather, they could have found a place outside to practice.
Seating in the bleachers wasn't nearly as bad as anticipated.
All in all, I thought everything seemed to run very well. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By bugpug Comments: 40, member since Sun May 11, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 04:30 PM
The worst thing was the $3 waters and the lines for the bathrooms. Practice was a bit difficult especially on Thursday. Over all much better than expected. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By nystwirler Comments: 56, member since Thu Jan 17, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 04:51 PM
Twirlsuperstar.. I did not watch lantz but I did catch part of matt's national solo and it was not a usual solo he does. He did hit the judges table with the baton from a bounce on one of his drops. Nathan did a great solo that day and deserved the win in my opinion. Just because they won at worlds does not mean they had great performances this week and should have been first.
as for overall..I thought it was ran pretty well. did NOT enjoy the lines for the bathrooms. A couple of us would take over the men's bathroom to change or go to the bathrooms sometimes! I also didn't like the oscars, I as well prefer the plaques. I will commend the judges that knew of conflicts and held the lanes open or let girls go out of order to accommodate all twirlers and the schedule. It was a great week in my opinion and congrats to all of the winners! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By twirlgirlsbaton Comments: 73, member since Mon Jul 07, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 04:52 PM
TwirlSuperstar wrote:
Seemed like alot of USTA people got hosed. Lantz and Freeman for example, wins worlds but only 2nds at AYOP? Ah well, congrats to all the winners!
Just curious. How do you figure they were "hosed"? I wouldn't expect my daughter to do well at a USTA competition, no matter how well she does in NBTA. There were twirlers at AYOP who won at NBTA worlds. At an NBTA contest, being judged by NBTA standards, it would stand to reason that a primarily USTA twirler, no matter how good, might not place as well. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By meljenni Comments: 228, member since Sat May 10, 2003On Sat Jul 25, 2009 04:56 PM
Edited by meljenni (64755) on 2009-07-25 16:57:53
twirlgirlsbaton wrote:
TwirlSuperstar wrote:
Seemed like alot of USTA people got hosed. Lantz and Freeman for example, wins worlds but only 2nds at AYOP? Ah well, congrats to all the winners!
I wouldn't consider Matt and Rebecca USTA twirlers. I think this year was Matt's first time at Nationals and I've never seen Rebecca at a competition... I wish they competed more at USTA because they are both amazing!
Congrats to all the winners. Sounds like a great time by all! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By TwirlSuperstar Comments: 69, member since Tue Jan 22, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 05:31 PM
[b]At an NBTA contest, being judged by NBTA standards, it would stand to reason that a primarily USTA twirler, no matter how good, might not place as well.[/b}
Are you trying to say that NBTA standards are more difficult than USTA standards? Isn't that alittle disingeniousness to all the USTA twirlers? Good twirling is good twirling regardless of organization however, having been to alot of contest both USTA and NBTA, their does seem to be a bit of bias. Certainly in USTA you can do gymnastics, lifts, etc whereas in NBTA you can't, that's more of a stylistic and choreography issue.
If Matt dropped then yes he would have had the automatic .5 deduction and having seen Nathan before he is a solid twirler. I guess with any sport that has human judges, their will always be a certain degree of bias (where only human no matter how hard we try to be objective) as witnessed by the Olympic skating scandal.
None the less, congrats to the winners, enjoy the short break and back to work for the fall season. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By twirlgirlsbaton Comments: 73, member since Mon Jul 07, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 05:48 PM
TwirlSuperstar wrote:
[b]At an NBTA contest, being judged by NBTA standards, it would stand to reason that a primarily USTA twirler, no matter how good, might not place as well.[/b}
Are you trying to say that NBTA standards are more difficult than USTA standards? Isn't that alittle disingeniousness to all the USTA twirlers? Good twirling is good twirling regardless of organization however, having been to alot of contest both USTA and NBTA, their does seem to be a bit of bias. Certainly in USTA you can do gymnastics, lifts, etc whereas in NBTA you can't, that's more of a stylistic and choreography issue.
I did not say that at all. What I said was that someone who has been trained in USTA might not do as well when being judged by NBTA standards. You missed the part where I said I would not expect my NBTA trained daughter to do well in a USTA contest, for the very same reason. I have great respect for all organizations, and since I know nothing about USTA standards for judging, I would never claim that NBTA is more rigorous. It's just different, that much I do know. I have seen Matt Freeman twirl at Congressional Cup, and I know that he is an amazing twirler. Many twirlers have been very successful in crossing over between the two organizations, but I don't think it's particularly easy to do. Sorry if my post was not clear, it was not meant to offend. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By batonchick24 Comments: 66, member since Fri Jul 29, 2005On Sat Jul 25, 2009 06:27 PM
I would consider Matt and Becky NBTA twirlers. Also keep in mind that Matt just moved in to the Senior division. Becky looked good, just a really tough age group with lots of good twirlers. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By jenniferwinslow Comments: 173, member since Sat Jul 05, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 07:04 PM
what makes someone a "USTA" twirler? Sepcifically?
I can think of 3 outstanding twirlers off the top of my head who have been very VERY successful at BOTH orginzations: Jennifer Marcus, Karissa Wimberly and Danielle Cobb.... anyone care to argue that these 3 are not superstars of the sport?
To compete at the level that these 3 do in USTA/WBTF they must have reached the "elite" level of compulsories which means I guess you could say they are "USTA trained"....
A good twirler is a good twirler. Period. | |
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By TwirlSuperstar Comments: 69, member since Tue Jan 22, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 07:31 PM
I think thats what makes it so difficult and slight bias in each because we have so many organizations with so many different standards and levels. It would be nice if everything was streamlined into 1 complete set of ideas. We talked earlier about content restrictions in a different post and I think that is a wonderful idea. It would be very discouraging to have a pure beginner or novice in one organization so against someone more advanced in another but since each organization is different, the same set of standards dont apply.
We know for example in NBTA they have restrictions on lifts, gymnastics and such whereas the USTA does not. At USTA Nationals seems like everyone was doing walkovers and tumbling movements which is a no-no at NBTA. I've heard the arguments from parents from NBTA that twirlers from USTA are primarly big tricking stunting twirlers whereas they view themselves as more of a twirlers, twirlers. As a result the twirlers train somewhat alittle differently out of the compulsory norm.
My point is the bias is their and trickles down to the lower levels. 1 set of judging standards for all organizations would be a help to the parents, twirlers and coaches. In NBTA's defense, I actually like their scoresheet better than USTA. I think if we used the NBTA scoresheet with the content of the USTA, we would have more complete all-around twirlers. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By batonmom99 Comments: 94, member since Tue May 01, 2007On Sat Jul 25, 2009 08:10 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Olivia Hurt from Ohio? She was the Tiny Tot Miss Majorette of America & Grand National Twirling Champion in 2007. We saw her at AYOP last year, but was surprised to see that she was not in attendance this year! Does anyone know if she is still competing? | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By twirlgirlsbaton Comments: 73, member since Mon Jul 07, 2008On Sat Jul 25, 2009 08:50 PM
jenniferwinslow wrote:
what makes someone a "USTA" twirler? Sepcifically?
I can think of 3 outstanding twirlers off the top of my head who have been very VERY successful at BOTH orginzations: Jennifer Marcus, Karissa Wimberly and Danielle Cobb.... anyone care to argue that these 3 are not superstars of the sport?
To compete at the level that these 3 do in USTA/WBTF they must have reached the "elite" level of compulsories which means I guess you could say they are "USTA trained"....
A good twirler is a good twirler. Period.
It would seem pretty obvious that someone who is trained and competes USTA almost exclusively would be a USTA twirler specifically. My daughter is in a corps that competes almost exclusively NBTA, with the occasional TU contest thrown in. She has no gymnastics training, and can't do any of the stunts that are prevalent in USTA solos and struts. There is no way she could ever go to a USTA contest and hold her own there, although she does very well in NBTA.
I have no bias for one organization over another. I only know NBTA, but like you said, good twirling is good twirling, regardless of the organization.
I completely agree that there are some great twirlers that have excelled in both organizations. I think those that can do it are few and far between, and devote much more time, effort and energy to being schooled in all aspects of each organization then many twirlers are willing to do. I am in awe of them and their devotion. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By ktdngld03 Comments: 7, member since Fri Oct 17, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 08:45 AM
i have heard through the grape vine that she broke her growth plate in her foot in the fall and had fallen behind in her abilities by the time it was healed so she did not compete this year.
Now remember this is just what I heard through the grapevine so parts might not be true..... | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By ktdngld03 Comments: 7, member since Fri Oct 17, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 08:46 AM
Sorry who I am talking about is Olivia Hurtt. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By GBSS Comments: 81, member since Sun Aug 24, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 08:58 AM
Newspaper article said # of athletes was down 20-25%, with close to 3,000 in attendance. Looked like the teams were the groups that were much smaller than usual. Some advanced events/ages had more than last year.
I thought the lines for food and bathrooms was the same as usual (which are long lines).
I too was pleased about how clear the sidelines were kept. It looked like the school folks made a bigger effort to keep the areas clear of blankets, chairs and tents. Yeah!!
I like being home today! Which means I like the shorter week schedule! What was disappointing was that they didn't put out the podiums nor take pictures of twirl-off, strut-off and 2-baton twirl-off winners (of course, on the year that 2 of my students would have been on the podiums....but no complaints, they still did awesome!).
"Big Show" was still 4.5 hours, because they did the corps finals during it. Was harder to get in and out of the seats in the ice rink during all the finals and the show. But presumably we'll be back in the arena next year. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By Stronghold Comments: 26, member since Wed Oct 08, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 09:38 AM
What was disappointing was that they didn't put out the podiums nor take pictures of twirl-off, strut-off and 2-baton twirl-off winners (of course, on the year that 2 of my students would have been on the podiums....but no complaints, they still did awesome!).
I heard that they did not have a podium for this year. A suggestion, they may want to consider the set up they use at Twirl Mania. They have a side area with podiums to take official pictures of girls coming off the floor. It's a great idea! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By twirl1996 Comments: 27, member since Sun Jul 27, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:30 AM
Olivia has switched to competition cheerleading. I think her mom wanted to be just that ... a mom. I think she didn't want to be a coach anymore. She is very happy in cheerleading. | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By twirl1996 Comments: 27, member since Sun Jul 27, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:36 AM
They did an excellent job with what they had to work with. The schedule was a little crazy, but events were on time, or ahead of scheule, and everything ran smoothly. I feel that the teams were good sports and supported each other well. It was a great week. Loved the mafia and pirate corps!! Modernettes "dancing with the modernettes" was also a favorite. Good job to ALL! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By TwirlsRUs Comments: 30, member since Thu Jun 14, 2007On Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:49 AM
** Liked the shorter week
** Liked having no individual events on Wednesday
** Agree with earlier podium comments
** Our girls missed Big Show entertainment, dancing on the floor and dimmed lights
** Lack of changing facilities was a MAJOR challenge
** Overall, given the limitations due to the construction work, the contest was well run with no major glitches, even with the split venues between ND and IU - Well Done!! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By fortheluvoftwirl Comments: 14, member since Tue Aug 26, 2008On Sun Jul 26, 2009 01:00 PM
Walk too long to enter facility from parking. If it were raining it would have been a major problem.
Missed the arena. Many group contests at University of Indiana-South Bend were delayed while waiting for soloists or Miss Majorette contestants. Found the seating at that university irritating as some of the best groups could not be seen if sitting in bleachers.
Missed the food area outside monogram room.
Bathrooms were way over crowded.
More food or better food vendors PLEASE!!!
Back to 5 days please.
Shorten BIG SHOW PLEASE! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By Star34 Comments: 67, member since Mon Aug 06, 2007On Sun Jul 26, 2009 01:52 PM
Was an official announcement made regarding AYOP 2010?
I was just curious about the number of days and dates! | re: AYOP 2009 en>fr fr>en
By Itwirlbluewhite Comments: 7, member since Sun May 31, 2009On Sun Jul 26, 2009 02:55 PM
I really liked the shorter week it seemed more relaxing.
I especially liked the top six and twirl-offs being before Miss Majorette of America awards.
The lines were atrocious but that should be fixed next year.
Overall, it wasn't as confusing as we all thought! |
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