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re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By Guyenne
On Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:57 AM
Serendipity - it makes sense to me.

But I think I told you before that I had a chiropractor tell me that he always did ankle adjustments in combination with specific hip adjustments.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Thu Jul 03, 2014 08:23 AM
Serendipity42 wrote:

Okay Dance Peeps - esp. NYCSylph:
I have a question or two for you regarding pointe shoes and hips.

I have been struggling with Gaynors - custom-built ones -as in I have to PHONE for them and they are specially made for me - due to not having any other option. I sink in the shoe no matter what I try. And, well, I have been having serious hip and back pain (same side as hip). I have been seeing a specialist chiro for it, as well as getting deep tissue massage and doing all the right things, etc. It did not relieve.

I decided to try Russian Pointe Rubin, again. This time, I got the narrowest box readily available, W2, and the shortest vamp readily available, V2, and flexible soft, which is essentially a half-shank, due to my one, metal ankle that is not very flexible. ...

It's been about 3 weeks and the shoes still support. I still don't sink, and I had NO HIP PAIN ON POINTE.

I know I still have a sacro joint issue, because of the break years ago, but it was so uplifting (pun intended) to be able to dance for the first time like I did when I was a girl. At least, part of the time. :)

So....anatomically, Ms. NYCSylph, could it be that sinking into the pointe shoe could cause that sort of hip issue? Just wondering....


Serendipity -

Fantastic!

Since this is all theoretical, yes, theoretically sinking in your pointe shoes can cause a lot of problems. When I came back to dance this last time, I was sinking in the Grishko's I bought. It wasn't until I got the Freed's that I could actually get up there.

If you're sinking, it affects the entire leg and hip area since you're compensating. If I had to guess, I'd say that in ballet, if we're doing something improperly, it hits us in our Achilles heel or our weakest part. It can also cause a weakest spot to develop by putting an extra burden in an area not designed to withstand the exertion.

So if you're asking my opinion, theoretically this could have been aggravating that previously injured area.

I also think that the surest way to tell is to continue using the shoes and draw your own conclusions. Each body is unique. Like some say running is bad for ballet, but for me, it worked out like a dream and enhanced my efforts.

I'm thrilled that this sort of just worked out for you. Experimentation is the other thing that we need to do at times. We go in one direction, and yet doing something like finally getting the right shoes and customizing them in a certain way does the trick.

I'm curious to know if this does work out in the long run. Fingers crossed that it does.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By rmdanceguy1
On Thu Aug 14, 2014 08:22 PM
Hey ladies! Just wanted to stop by and say hi. I hope everyone's classes are going well. I have been very busy lately. Ballet has been on the back burner for a while, but lokng to change that in the near futures possibly after Labor Day.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By Attitude1407
On Thu Aug 14, 2014 09:20 PM
Edited by Attitude1407 (186517) on 2014-08-14 21:23:43
Wow, I'm sorry I've been out of touch for so long. I guess so much has gone wrong, I haven't been in a mood to share. And even when I tried to check in on DDN to see how you all were doing, I usually had trouble with the new site crashing my browser. I'm using a different browser now and so far, so good.

First, I went to the audition and as it turned out, the director had changed his focus from contemporary ballet/pointe to pure jazz - all he did for the audition was a jazz combo. He never let us put on pointe shoes! He was also apparently looking to downsize rather than expand his company - he cut several of his existing dancers, and only hired one or two of his personal friends. Needless to say, I didn't make the cut either.

Classes at his studio haven't worked out, either, FWIW - not much to choose from. I did take a guest class he taught elsewhere recently and that was one highlight of my summer. He always manages to say something in a way that makes something miraculously work better!

About a month ago, I lost my 15-year-old dog who had been a part of our family for over 12 years. She had been sick for the past year and it had been very difficult, but she was actually doing quite well up until her last week. I was with her when she died... It was so hard to watch, but I'm glad I was there with her. It's been hard to get used to her not being with us anymore.

One thing that has helped keep me sane is the kids I've been teaching. I subbed MANY classes before the recital and I was so proud of them in the show - they did a great job! Some of them had me worried, but they came through!

And, some exciting news is that I have a class of my own this year! That is something I'm very happy about and I'm hoping it will be the start of good things unfolding in my life.

So that's all the news from me. How have you all been? Hope everyone has been well!
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Thu Aug 21, 2014 04:15 PM
rmdanceguy1 wrote:

Hey ladies! Just wanted to stop by and say hi. I hope everyone's classes are going well. I have been very busy lately. Ballet has been on the back burner for a while, but lokng to change that in the near futures possibly after Labor Day.


rmdanceguy -

Hi! I'm glad to hear from you, but sorry that you're not attending class regularly. I want you to hit your goal of dancing on stage!

Hope you return soon and that you're able to get in some consistent dancing. :)

Attitude1407 wrote:

First, I went to the audition and as it turned out, the director had changed his focus from contemporary ballet/pointe to pure jazz - all he did for the audition was a jazz combo. He never let us put on pointe shoes! He was also apparently looking to downsize rather than expand his company - he cut several of his existing dancers, and only hired one or two of his personal friends. Needless to say, I didn't make the cut either.


Attitude -

Oh, I'm so sorry! You're a pointe girl! With feet like those you'd have to be!

I guess my advice would be to always try out for a few things and not count on one place -- even if it does sound ideal. And it did sound perfect.

I'm really hoping as your confidence builds that you do spread your wings and try out for things. You might surprise yourself!

Classes at his studio haven't worked out, either, FWIW - not much to choose from. I did take a guest class he taught elsewhere recently and that was one highlight of my summer. He always manages to say something in a way that makes something miraculously work better!


So he doesn't teach classes at his own school, but guests? Well, it sounds like I'd take him anyway I could find him!

Love teachers that can put their finger on what you're doing wrong and nail a correction! It's like this huge breakthrough! I'd always skip home on days like that and hum as I went along. No thoughts of jumping in the East River when that happened!

About a month ago, I lost my 15-year-old dog who had been a part of our family for over 12 years. She had been sick for the past year and it had been very difficult, but she was actually doing quite well up until her last week. I was with her when she died... It was so hard to watch, but I'm glad I was there with her. It's been hard to get used to her not being with us anymore.


Oh, honey, I'm so sorry! It is really tough losing a pet. It's absolutely the worst part of owning one and I am truly glad you were strong and grave enough to be with her when she passed. It's horrible, but I'm sure you gave her so much comfort. :)

And the house seems empty without a beloved pet. It's like something is missing and there is. I know you'll get over it, but it's hard. Totally understand.

One thing that has helped keep me sane is the kids I've been teaching. I subbed MANY classes before the recital and I was so proud of them in the show - they did a great job! Some of them had me worried, but they came through!


YEAH! Really jazzed about this! I'll bet it was a real nail biter! :P Glad everyone came through and delivered.

And, some exciting news is that I have a class of my own this year! That is something I'm very happy about and I'm hoping it will be the start of good things unfolding in my life.


That is amazing and fabulous! I know you'll be an excellent teacher (because you're knowledgeable and because you care) and I'm sure things will pick up steam from here!

Great things are coming. Just be sure to go for things you want so do it now and have no regrets! :)
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By csontow
On Tue Sep 02, 2014 03:16 AM
Practice makes perfect!
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By rmdanceguy1
On Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:51 PM
Hey ladies! How are you? I hope your summer went well and your fall is going well. I also hope your classes are going well.

Ballet has been on the back burner for a while and I miss class a lot. I'd like to eventually pick up more classes to get back to where I was. Yes, I'd like to eventually be on stage and perform in at least one ballet or recital or both although I have a big case of stage fright.

Atttude: I am sorry to hear about your audition. I agree with NYCSylph, do not let that keep you from trying out for more opportunities. I am so sorry about your dog. Dogs really do become a part of the family. I lost my dog several years ago so I can sympathize. I also agree. I think you will make a very good teacher.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:35 PM
rmdanceguy1 wrote:



Ballet has been on the back burner for a while and I miss class a lot. I'd like to eventually pick up more classes to get back to where I was. Yes, I'd like to eventually be on stage and perform in at least one ballet or recital or both although I have a big case of stage fright.


Rmdanceguy1 -

Hi, I'm fine and I'm glad you are also.

I just wanted to say something about stage fright and that is that sometimes you just don't know until you try. People react all sorts of ways once up on stage so even if you grin and grit your way through, keep reaching for that goal! :)

I'm pulling for you!
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By csontow
On Thu Oct 23, 2014 08:45 PM
I have a really dumb question, but I don't understand and just have to ask... Guys are always asking about point. I have never seen a guy take point, does this really happen at some studios? I've never seen a guy on point in my life and am so confused...?!? Haha
Isn't point for girls or am I iust really neive and should feel really embarrassed....? :/:(

Thanks you all,
-c
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight! (karma: 1)
By Guyenne
On Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:31 PM
Edited by Guyenne (105971) on 2014-10-24 12:32:20 forgot something.
csontow - yes, most places only women/girls take pointe. However, in some places, men either take pointe class in technique shoes or do wear pointe shoes and take pointe class - sometimes it is used as ankle/foot strengthening, sometimes to learn how to teach the class, and sometimes simply because they want to. There are also a couple comic parts where men do pointe, and a entire troop where the men play both male and female roles - www.trockadero.org . . .
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Fri Oct 24, 2014 05:37 PM
csontow wrote:


Isn't point for girls or am I iust really neive and should feel really embarrassed....? :/:(

Thanks you all,
-c


Csontow -

Guyenne has answered your question beautifully.

I concur with what was said and don't understand why this is an issue. When I started taking ballet again in the late 70s early 80s (oh, my gosh, that's a long time ago! Eeek!), there was a male dancer in our variations/pointe class. He was terrific and no one thought anything about it. We loved having him in class and I don't know why this is kicking up as a new thing because it isn't.

Yes, men take pointe, should be able to take pointe, and do take pointe. It has its roots in history (folk dances) and sometimes adds an element of technique that can be helpful. It's up to the individual as to what is appropriate for them.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By csontow
On Sat Oct 25, 2014 03:48 AM
You look QUITE CUTE up on those pink shoes...! :);)
I'm jealous now I want to try Point!? :(
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Fri Nov 28, 2014 07:57 AM
csontow wrote:


I'm jealous now I want to try Point!? :(


Go for it. You might surprise yourself.

Everyone -

I had wanted to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving, but with the site being down, that didn't happen. :P

Hope everyone's holiday was bountiful and filled with reasons to be grateful. I turned the day into a competitive eating event so no complaints here.

:)
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By portdebras
On Wed Dec 03, 2014 01:22 AM
i would like try it!

but i'am a male and usually is not a tipic shoes for man.
I think is very hard to use and to dance with the pointe.

Any man tryed the pointe on ballet class?
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By rmdanceguy1
On Tue Dec 23, 2014 09:43 PM
Edited by rmdanceguy1 (145782) on 2014-12-23 21:53:12
Edited by rmdanceguy1 (145782) on 2014-12-23 21:54:52
Hey ladies and everyone! Sorry I have not been on in a while. Things have been busy. I have tried to get back to ballet on a regular basis, but the studio is a long way away now.

As far as pointe is concerned, yes there are men who have taken pointe. In fact, there is a company of only men and they go en pointe.

I have not personally seen a guy in a pointe class in my area or studios, but it has been a while for one studio. There are barely guys in ballet. The men I have seen are on forums such as this. I have heard pointe helps a guy in partnering knowing where she is going to be. For that, I'd like to try it eventually myself, but leanring and training more ballet in a possible performance role in a local ballet is my first focus. The trick, I think, is finding a teacher who will teach it.

I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a Happy and Safe New Year.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Wed Dec 24, 2014 07:52 AM
rmdanceguy1 wrote:

Hey ladies and everyone! Sorry I have not been on in a while. Things have been busy. I have tried to get back to ballet on a regular basis, but the studio is a long way away now.


Hi Rmdanceguy1 -

Sorry to hear that. It's yet another reason that adult-folk have to be so dedicated. It's not only fitting classes in our schedule, there's location to consider. While gyms are pretty much on every corner these days (well, in NYC, anyway!), you sometimes have to travel quite a distance to get a good class! Hope this clears up for you in the New Year!

I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a Happy and Safe New Year.


Thank you and I'll join you in wishing everyone the merriest of holidays! Happy dancing and may there be the best ballet classes ever for you in the New Year!!!
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By rmdanceguy1
On Thu Jan 01, 2015 08:33 PM
Thank you nycsylph. I hope you ladies had a very happy New Year. I hope you meet all of your dance goals in 2015.

There are of course other studios I could go, but I am trying to stay loyal to my first ballet teacher. She was the one who got me into her class and got me started. I would like to return to the local ballet school to add to my classes. The ballet school is my best opportunity to eventually get on stage.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By Attitude1407
On Sun Jan 11, 2015 06:37 PM
Hello and Happy New Year everyone! Sorry I've been out of touch! A few months ago a family member went to the hospital and was diagnosed with cancer... At the same time work has been horrible. It's been a very difficult time and I just haven't been checking DDN at all.

On a happy note, though, my students are doing great and are going to be in the recital! I hope you all enjoyed the holidays and are back to dancing now!
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Thu Feb 05, 2015 06:22 AM
Attitude1407 wrote:

Hello and Happy New Year everyone! Sorry I've been out of touch! A few months ago a family member went to the hospital and was diagnosed with cancer... At the same time work has been horrible. It's been a very difficult time and I just haven't been checking DDN at all.


Attitude -

Hi and so sorry to hear this! It's just a very difficult time to deal with. Prayers are on their way to your relative and your family in coping while they heal.

On a happy note, though, my students are doing great and are going to be in the recital! I hope you all enjoyed the holidays and are back to dancing now!


I'm glad to hear this. The giving and passing knowledge on is another side of ballet -- an important one. You're very blessed to be involved in shaping young lives and giving them a great start.

I hope you're keeping up your own training. Remember that it's not about waiting until it's a sunny day to follow our dreams, it's about dancing in the rain.

Massive cyber hugs go out to you. I know you've put your heart into this passion and have faith it'll forge a path that's right for you.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By brubie
On Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:35 PM
At the suggestion of NYSylph and a couple of others who I know read this, I'm sharing a bit about what has currently happend at my my former (as of yesterday 1:00) studio. I found out a week ago that the husband and wife who've been teaching at the studio for 11 years, were told "their services were no longer needed, and that their classes weren't filling,: I know this to be false, I take/took their classes, and they were generally always full or almost full. They were given little,to no notice. Fortunately they are teaching at another studio in Philadelphia, ( they taught there when they first came to the Philly to dance with PA Ballet. It is pretty much the same schedule as the old studio,$3.00 cheaper per class and a class card $20.00 cheaper.

It isn't as fancy, but the class yesterday was amazing. Small but the people who were there wanted to learn,and the teacher taught from not only his heart but from a place that may have been missing in the old studio. I was privileged to take his wife's last class at the old studio Feb 21, it nearly brought me to tears. I am so glad I'll be able to continue to work with them

Thanks to some wonderful ballet folks I meet on Facebook, what could have been an horrific ordeal ( sorry NYS I couldn't resist) has turned out to be a new adventure.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By rmdanceguy1
On Sun Mar 29, 2015 01:11 PM
Hey ladies! How are you? I hope all of you have a great, safe, and happy Easter next week.

I thought I would check in and update on my classes. My adult classes at my studio seem to be declining in membership. The last couple of weeks, I was the only one who showed for class. It got to the point where the studio owner cancelled class as I was the only one who came. I guess this is the story of adult classes. They are not well attended. This is upsetting to me as I love coming to class. I don't know why ladies in my area would not want to come and take ballet on a regular basis.

I guess I will have to find another studio that has an adult class which is more steady with steady attendance from adults who truly want to dance. It will be change as I had been with the studio now about ten years. I just want to get back to class on a steady basis.
re: Ouch! Took first pointe class in 20 years tonight!
By nycsylphmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Mar 30, 2015 07:15 AM
brubie wrote:


Thanks to some wonderful ballet folks I meet on Facebook, what could have been an horrific ordeal ( sorry NYS I couldn't resist) has turned out to be a new adventure.


Brubie -

I'm so happy that this turned out to be a win-win situation for you and the teachers involved. There's nothing better than taking class with other students that are focused on learning ballet. The fact that you can still take class with these two teachers is amazing. This different setting will set things right and give all of you what you need.

:) So happy for you!

I guess I will have to find another studio that has an adult class which is more steady with steady attendance from adults who truly want to dance. It will be change as I had been with the studio now about ten years. I just want to get back to class on a steady basis.


rmdanceguy1 -

I feel your pain! :P To be all geared up to take class and have no one show is so depressing. I've had that happen in my younger years at small schools, or at classes that weren't attracting students. I'm never sure why this happens -- especially when there's an amazing teacher, but it does.

Yes, absolutely take the plunge and find a new school. Your body is probably craving a regular schedule and you'll undo the good work you've put in. And you did want to perform, so maybe this new school will allow you to achieve your goals. :)

Everyone -

So I ran into one of the Four Stooges that I took with. She showed up at a favorite coffee house and I almost spit up my latte. :P

She did get the last laugh as she's not injured and out of shape. I just sucked up the fact that she gets to still attend class. That's how it goes.

I, too, want to wish everyone a fabulous Bunny Day and to remind everyone that calories do not count on holidays. If you look that up on Wikipedia, you'll see I'm right. *wink wink* :)
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