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What is you religion...and does it make a difference in ID or even society?
By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 09:00 AM
Moved to Religion by TheMidlakeMuse (78507) on 2010-04-19 09:28:02 all religion topics must go on the religion board


I am doing an assignment for university about religious beliefs and nursing and how religion and belief can affect health and health beliefs as well as day to day living. I just wondered what religion if any you lot are, and does it affect you in the world of Irish Dancing. Does it affect your life in the wider community you live in, or even in the wider society at school or work.
And finally does your religion affect your health at all? Just randomly...
Feel free to leave any comments, but please respect other people and do not be prejudice or vindictive towards them because of their beliefs.

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re: What is you religion...and does it make a difference in ID or even society?
By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 09:06 AM
Meant to put this at the end of what I had already written. I am catholic, and have found this has influenced some of the life choices I have made, although I have also gone against the church on some issues. I went to a catholic school outside my town, and found this isolated me from children that lived near me, but I do not feel this has done any harm. I also remember living in fear of my school being bombed (I don't know why) but we had a bomb alarm and it was a major issue when we were small.
I have also lived in Northern Ireland, I was married to a soldier (lots of people disapproved in the Army society that I was a catholic married to a soldier) and a lot of the army wives expected people to be really biased because of who they were and expected trouble. I went out and worked, in Belfast and my local town, I went to Derry and other areas and DID NOT at any time experience any trouble at all! In fact I love the place and would happily return (even though the barracks where we lived were bombed the other week).
With regards to ID, my first teacher was catholic and her kids and family all went to the same school as me, thats how we got into it all, but apart from that she was open to everyone, I have never experienced any problems regarding my religion and ID.
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By Cienmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 6075, member since Tue Dec 20, 2005
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:44 AM
I'm an Atheist/Agnostic hybrid (more the latter than the former, though) experimenting with a little bit of Buddhist ideas in there. I was raised Catholic, though, and the rest of my family still is. I don't do Irish dance, but my religion (or lack thereof, I guess) never had any effect on my dance life at all. It also hasn't had any real effect on my health or my daily life, either, but I think that's because I choose to surround myself with people who either share my belief system or don't care that I'm not religious. My family was perfectly fine with it when I told them I don't believe in a god anymore, and they don't bug me about my decision.

It has been a little bit difficult in the relationship realm, because since deciding that I don't believe in a god, and then reconnecting with a religious friend, I've realized that I just don't think I could date a really religious guy. So I guess that might narrow my dating pool a little in the future, but right now I'm not really in the market for anyone, so I'm not experiencing any difficulties in the present.
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By QueensJennmember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 1278, member since Mon Dec 05, 2005
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:24 PM
I'm Catholic, albeit, a veerrrryyyyy liberal one that doesn't agree with the church on a lot of issues (homosexuality, birth control, etc.)
I used to do ID, and I can't say it really affected me. I would have placed badly no matter what belief system I followed :P
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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 01:18 PM
Thanks guys, I don't think religion or lack of has such a stigma attached these days as it used to. Linking it into my uni work, priests used to come onto the hospital wards, but that doesnt happen anymore.
I guess its a tricky subject still though, and often decisions are made and sometimes we can't even link them into religion or beliefs.
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By Louisemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 17315, member since Thu Jun 06, 2002
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 01:44 PM
^ Priests can go on to the wards if requested to by the patient - at least they do at my hospital. I'm pretty sure it's your right as a patient to be able to ask for any religious leader to visit you, and definitely your right to ask for them to administer the last rites or equivalent. Most hospitals have a multi-faith room as well for patients, families and staff to use. I know we have one but genuinely don't have a clue where it is! We've definitely got a chapel as well, but then we are situated in a very old building and have been on the site for over 100 years, so that might just be a throwback. Not sure if a hospital like the new QE in Birmingham would have a chapel AND a multi-faith room, probably just the latter.

Slight hijack? I think so! Apologies.
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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 01:48 PM
No problems Louise! Yea most hospitals have these facilities, but it used to be common practice to have a priest or spiritual leader come visit the sick regularly. Now the patients have to ask! I'm not sure whether that is right or wrong, but what about those who can't ask, or don't know who to ask. Are we as nurses forgetting their spiritual needs. I know at assessment a lot of nurses just skip over the religion part of the form, or assume that everyone in the UK is C of E.
Back to the dancing etc, does anyone think that they should be asked their religion on forms such as insurance for dancing, or when filling in feis/competition forms? Or what about when you register at your school?
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By Heartmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 15032, member since Thu Feb 14, 2002
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 02:04 PM
I'm an agnostic, which translates for nearly all intents and purposes I am an atheist. God might or might not be there, I don't think I will ever know until I die and at that time it would be a moot point.

It hasn't affected my life at all. Umm... no, can't say it's affected my choice of colleges. I mean, I wouldn't go to CUA or BJU, but I probably wouldn't go to either of them anyway. And I can't be the godmother of any of my cousin's children because I am not a Catholic. And that's it.
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By irishdaydreamermember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 1538, member since Tue Jul 10, 2007
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 02:16 PM
Presbyterian over here.
I used to to do Irish Dance, and I can't say that it changed anything in my life, except for the fact that I didn't have ashes on my forehead on Good Friday. Most of the other dancers were Catholic.

In "real" life, it hasn't affected me much either. I mean, it has caused me to not partake in pre-marital sex, or drugs/alcohol, so I suppose that's a difference, but other than that... Well, actually, it makes me rather an oddity. I do a lot of theatre, and I work at the Renaissance Fair, so while I'm still excellent friends with all the people there, I'm one of the few Christians.

OH! And, since my church is so theology based, I know a lot about Christian history. For example, I was once at Chick-fil-a, and I noticed my server's name was John Calvin. I asked him if it was his real name. Poor John Calvin was terrified of me! XD
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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 03:27 PM
Irish Day Dreamer I hate to be ignorant but who is John Calvin?
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By PogMoGilliesmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 3157, member since Tue Apr 24, 2007
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 09:28 PM
^ John Calvin was the guy who lead the changes in the protestent church that became the medothist church.
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By irishdaydreamermember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 1538, member since Tue Jul 10, 2007
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 09:34 PM
Yeah, don't worry about it claireyfaerie85. He's not a hugely well known person outside of the Protestant church.
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By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos Comments: 8949, member since Sat Jul 19, 2003
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 09:55 PM
CienPorCientoPAZ wrote:

I'm an Atheist/Agnostic hybrid (more the latter than the former, though) experimenting with a little bit of Buddhist ideas in there. I was raised Catholic, though, and the rest of my family still is. I don't do Irish dance, but my religion (or lack thereof, I guess) never had any effect on my dance life at all. It also hasn't had any real effect on my health or my daily life, either, but I think that's because I choose to surround myself with people who either share my belief system or don't care that I'm not religious. My family was perfectly fine with it when I told them I don't believe in a god anymore, and they don't bug me about my decision.

It has been a little bit difficult in the relationship realm, because since deciding that I don't believe in a god, and then reconnecting with a religious friend, I've realized that I just don't think I could date a really religious guy. So I guess that might narrow my dating pool a little in the future, but right now I'm not really in the market for anyone, so I'm not experiencing any difficulties in the present.


Since Grace is essentially my thought twin, I just quoted her. I did irish dance (religion played no role) and was raised a relaxed Lutheran who went to church maybe once a year. Mother isn't thrilled with my belief system, but such is life. To spell it out, I don't believe in God, but more in the Buddhist thought of there being some sort of universal wholeness (love perhaps) that connects us all. No big guy in the sky. It does affect me to some extent because there are many, many people out there who can't stand atheists/agnostics. The relationship thing is an issue as well, since I could never date somebody religious.

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re: What is you religion...and does it make a difference in ID or even society?
By Cienmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 6075, member since Tue Dec 20, 2005
On Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:05 PM
Kekoa wrote:

Since Grace is essentially my thought twin

::beams thoughts using wiggly-finger magic:: :P

/hijack
re: What is you religion...and does it make a difference in ID or even society?
By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 03:37 AM
Regarding marriage, as a catholic I totally broke the rules, I married an athiest, in a registry office, and he was abusive so I divorced him 4 years later. Thats me totally out of the church even if I wanted to be in it. It doesn't stop my beliefs though, although I am a liberal catholic. Me and the ex did dispute over a lot of things, being abusive as he was he wouldnt let me go to church even if I wanted, didnt like me having a crucifix on the wall (something I had always had since a child) and when I suggested that any kids go to a church school (not necessarily catholic) because they are the better schools, he was categorically against it.
I know now that if I ever married again, I would have to find someone who at least tolerated my beliefs even if they didn't believe them, then again, I couldn't marry someone who was totally religious, basically because I have screwed up too much!
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By tybalt Comments: 583, member since Fri Nov 24, 2006
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 04:41 AM
You can't put together C of E, witnesses of Jehova, Mormons (church of JC of the saints of latter days) under one group (protestants).
Protestants are Lutherian, Reformed (Zwingli) and Calvinist churches!
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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 07:53 AM
Edited by claireyfaerie85 (220924) on 2010-04-20 07:56:30
Tybalt, I apologise if I did not section this clearly enough for you. Unfortunately I don't know how to edit it. And part of it is ignorance on my part, I thought the term protestant covered christians who were not catholics or orthodox. Round where I live they tend to use it as a blanket cover for all non-catholic, other christian denominations. (In theory (from what I know, excuse me if I am wrong and please feel free to correct me)most came from the splits of the catholic church and the formation of the Church of England, and then splintering off from that?
This post was initially related to Irish Dancing, so therefore I wasn't really after specific denominations.

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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 07:57 AM



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By MuffinHeadmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 5172, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 09:58 AM
Note: I grew up Roman Catholic. Went to Catholic school kindergarten through 8th grade. Went through the motions... baptism, first communion, confirmation, etc. I am an atheist. I detest organized religion. But I *do* respect that everyone has their own beliefs.

Now that's out of the way... regarding the nursing comment of "forgetting someone's spiritual needs". As a nurse, that is NOT your job. Your job is to help medically care for the patient. Not assuming they need a religious leader of some sort. Or assuming they want you to "pray for them". Et cetera... As an atheist, if I were in a hospital and a nurse brought me a priest, assuming I was religious-- I'd probably rip out my IVs and walk myself to another hospital facility. I actually told off a woman (not sure if she was a nurse or not) who told me she'd "pray that my surgery went okay". Huh? When did I ask you to do that? And what good would it do? My surgery is going to go fine as long as the doctor and his team know what they're doing and there aren't any variables. Praying won't make anything go better or worse. She crossed the line, and I was not a happy patient.

As for dance and religion. No, you should never have to put down your religion on a registration form for ANYTHING. It could be used to discriminate. And dance (except for Spiritual Dance) has *nothing* to do with religion. It is an irrelevant matter. Religion is a personal choice and it should be kept PERSONAL. I don't even want to hear about how someone went to church this past weekend. I see no point.

I am an atheist. I detest organized religion. The studio I teach for? Made up of mainly Christian students. What does me teaching them ballet have anything to do with their religion? Why would I or the studio owner need to know about their choice of religious preference?

Just an aside question-- seeing as I am atheist, and basically against religion... would you as a parent want to know this before enrolling your student in my class? What if your child was enrolled and someone made a mention of it halfway through the year, would you pull your student? Would you enroll your student in my class if you knew I was an atheist?

I have never asked any of my students what religion they are. I have never made a mention of religion. Nor will I. Because teaching someone how to jete has nothing to do with someone's spirituality.


Basically, I think religion is a PERSONAL preference. And it needs to be kept to ONESELF outside of religious company or a religious institution. Don't talk to me about it at dance, work, on the streets, at a party, at a competition, etc.
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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Edited by claireyfaerie85 (220924) on 2010-04-20 12:28:59
Edited by claireyfaerie85 (220924) on 2010-04-20 12:29:35
MuffinHead wrote:


Now that's out of the way... regarding the nursing comment of "forgetting someone's spiritual needs". As a nurse, that is NOT your job. Your job is to help medically care for the patient. Not assuming they need a religious leader of some sort. Or assuming they want you to "pray for them". Et cetera... As an atheist, if I were in a hospital and a nurse brought me a priest, assuming I was religious-- I'd probably rip out my IVs and walk myself to another hospital facility.q]

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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:32 PM
As nurses, the NMC note that we should look after a patient holistically, encompassing all their needs, physical, mental, social, physchological, emotional and spiritual...although I enterpret the spiritual bit as meaning I should be aware of my patients that have spiritual needs, and make arrangements where necessary for those needs to be met (with consent of the patient) i.e. access to chapel on a sunday, specialist diets such as Halal. It is though, against the NMC code of conduct to wear anything which shows your religion up front, mostly jewellery comes under this, but it shouldnt be worn anyway due to infection control issues. It is also unethical to offer to pray for someone, and should not be done! There has been a a lot in the media about nurses being struck off for doing this, but if a patient approaches you and asks you to pray for them, its different.
Personally, I pray for all my patients anyway but I wouldn't do it in front of them or tell them. If they asked me to pray with them I would, but then I would also partake in any religious ceremony regardless of my own beliefs, if it is something which promotes the wellbeing of my patient, and as long as it is not dangerous, life threatening, or harmful to others.
If they wanted something like this to happen, I would also ensure it was done in privacy.

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As for the dance side, I have considered it long and hard and have thought that it is useful in some ways, what if there is an accident etc, you may have religious needs that should be known, no blood transfusions, or even death, different religions have different views, some bodies should not be touched until their 'priest' or religious leader has seen it etc. So under those circumstances it would be helpful to know, on the other hand, it is open to abuse
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By DefyingGravityPremium member Comments: 5265, member since Sun Jan 19, 2003
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:47 PM
...regarding the nursing comment of "forgetting someone's spiritual needs". As a nurse, that is NOT your job. Your job is to help medically care for the patient. Not assuming they need a religious leader of some sort. Or assuming they want you to "pray for them".
We never assume our patients need religious leaders or assume they want us to pray for them; we ask. It is our job is to care for the spiritual needs of a patient in addition to the purely physical needs. I will ALWAYS ask a patient their religion and whether they have any religious needs such as special foods or prayer sessions. Religion information is vital to providing culturally competent and well-rounded care. Religion can dictate whether blood products can be given. Religion can dictate what medical personnel can touch the patient. Religion can dictate whether certain people have to be in the room when procedures are performed. Knowing and respecting a patient's religion is a vital part of nursing. If you are atheist/agnostic/non-practicing, just simply answer that there is nothing special required to meet your religious needs and we will all go on with our merry lives.
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By reel_faerie85member has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 4130, member since Mon Mar 08, 2010
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 01:06 PM
I'm with you on that one defying gravity!
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By MuffinHeadmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member Comments: 5172, member since Thu Jun 10, 2004
On Tue Apr 20, 2010 08:14 PM
I didn't say anything against a nurse *asking*. The post sounded as though it was an assumption. Of course they should ask, there are plenty of people out there who are heavy handed in their religious beliefs-- but may not be able to fully extend that belief while in the hospital-- so questions are helpful.
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