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Are all men equal/ Is all human life equal?
By YumYumDoughnutPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 09:58 AM

I was at a party with my guy last night when this very topic came up. There seemed to have been a very clear divide based on the generation and occupations. ( Cops/Doctors/Trauma Nurses/EMT's seemed to answer one way. Teachers/Peds nurses/other occupations dealing with children seemed to answer another way. Also there seemed to be a pretty clear divide between people over 40 and under 40)

Do you believe that all men/human life are equal? ( All men are created equally thus they are of the same value)

Please post your age and your occupation when you answer this.
Also please no PC and answer what you REALLY think. Also if someone answers the question please don't mercilessly attack them for their opinion. I am not trying to cause a huge argument/debate here, I just want peoples opinion on this. If anyone is uncomfortable posting please PM me the answer.

So basically age, occupation, personal thoughts on this matter.

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By YumYumDoughnutPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:02 AM
Age: 20
Occupation : Dance Teacher, Nanny, and Working in a financial office.
Volunteer: Police Department

I believe that all men are created equal in the sense that everyone starts off with a clean slate. I believe that it is the actions of the person that makes them unequal through the course of their life.

If a man was holding a knife to the throat of the victim, I would try to save the victim and I could care less about the man holding the knife and his life. This tells me that I DO NOT value everyone the same way. Human life is not equal in my book.
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By imadanseurPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:05 AM
I don't know exactly what you are asking. Is a human life equal to another human life...yes in my opinion. Do I feel I am equal to a cracked out whore, probably not. I probably feel I am better than her most days, but in the grand scheme of things we are both human beings and I believe we are all connected via the Universe and despite choices and circumstances we are all working through lessons we need to learn to become more enlightened.

36 year old dance teacher, business owner, personal trainer.
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By DancingBeanermember has saluted, click to view salute photos
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:18 AM
Age: 20
Occupation: University Student

I believe that everyone is equal when they are born, and as a helpless child they are on their most equal terms with one another. However depending on the family they are born into and their choices in life, the equality changes. Thus, after 50 years or so, a person who has worked the majority of their life, created a small fortune, and has made a family whom he supports, is worth more than a cracked out whore (like Imadanseur was saying), who has never had an actual job, and has never really contributed to society. It may be that the cracked out whore grew up in a bad/ poor family where she never had many opportunities to improve herself and become someone, but that is why the differences in human equality start after birth.

So if I was a doctor and there were two lives in front of me, the working man and the cracked out whore, and I could only save one, I would definitely choose former.
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By kandykanePremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:28 AM
If you are talking about 'equal' as in humane, then yes every person is equal. But on the flip side, then you get into the whole 'life is not fair' thinking when you look at advantages, position, education, wealth, etc. And really, those at 'the top' often seem to be on the bottom to me, in terms of humanity. Looking down at others certainly does not make you a better person, IMO.

So my answer is yes and no. Every person has the potential to be equal and should be equal. But in real life, no one is equal.

40+, fulltime mom and life coach.

kk~
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By Coccinellamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:41 AM
I think people who don`t respect other human life (aka, murderers, molesters, rapists, etc.) automatically lessen their worth, in my opinion. I think we all had a chance, no matter how priviledged or unpriviledged and we all have the free will to make good or bad choices.

Age 21, Student and Barista.
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By MaxwellPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:51 AM
Age: Minor
Occupation: Nothing paid, am a public school student

Well, for the obvious answer that you'll probably consider PC and highly uncool, humans are not equal at birth. I mean, being born LGBT is pretty much a gurantee that actions will be taken against you to make sure you aren't equal in life. There are a thousand examples I could give here (the gender/racial wage gap, accesibility for people with disabilities, being born into a poor family.) Some humans are guranteed not to be considered equals at birth. And, yes, all human life has worth and all of the things I listed should change for the better.

As for human equality that starts after birth, I think there are way worse things than being a "cracked out whore." To me, certain personal morals are way more important than life achievements. A person who's greedy, lies, cheats, not thankful for what they have, and not willing to try their best using the resources that they have is not equal to a person who doesn't do those things, whether we're talking about drug-addicted prostitutes or business men.
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By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:51 AM
Age:21
Occupation: Anthropology/Environmental studies major/minor and nanny

Absolutely. Take all facts aside, and every single animal life is equal, though they clearly are not equally valued. All details aside, a rapist's life is equal to mine and a cow's life equal to his and a gorilla's life is equal to the cow. We're all born, we all do stuff, we all die. Clearly, some of us are more productive while alive (I would hope society appreciates my contributions more than that of a rapist), but on a base level, life is equal.
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By Heartmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 01:18 PM
22-year-old college senior and customer service representative.

No.

Some people are strong and some people are weak.
Some people are smart and some people are dumb.
Some people are tall and others are short; some fat, some thin; some graceful, some clumsy. Some sick and some healthy and some with an Achilles' heel.

People are different by nature. If we were all equal, we'd all be the same, and that would be boring.

It's a pretty philosophy, but in practice, it just doesn't hold water.
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By d4jmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Aug 21, 2010 01:31 PM
For me personally, every single life has equal value because every person has equal potential to make a change in themselves and a difference in this world. I also view people as equals in that we are equally flawed. I do not hold up one flaw as better or worse than another. We are all brought down by the same vices.

I'm fifty, a dance teacher, furniture refinisher, parent of one
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By Cadbury_Eatermember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sun Aug 22, 2010 05:31 AM
Age: Minor
Occupation: High School Student

I think yes, all human life is equal. We are fundamentally all the same, being humans. Everyone has the same right to life and freedom (not every gets it though :(

I think it is unhealthy to look down upon people and justify your own good. You should be satisfied with your self.
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By DefyingGravityPremium member
On Sun Aug 22, 2010 07:56 AM
Cadbury_Eater wrote:

I think it is unhealthy to look down upon people and justify your own good. You should be satisfied with your self.
No one here seems to be "justifying their own good," at least none of the postings came across that way to me.

I work at a facility that treats rape/assault victims. We have both the victims AND the suspects come in (the latter with police escort) to give medical clearance and obtain evidence. It takes everything in me to not scream at some of the suspects; to me, they are the absolute scum of the earth. They are DEFINITELY not equal to the innocent people they have harmed, or to the people who are treating them. The predatory look in some of their eyes lowers them down at the level of beasts.
re: Are all men equal/ Is all human life equal? (karma: 1)
By OMGjaimyemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:59 AM
Edited by floridagrl (221447) on 2010-08-22 12:03:52 changed some stuff up.
"All Animals are equal; but some are more equal than others." -George Orwell

I based my Senior Oral on this quote from Animal Farm and I wish I could remember more about what I wrote/presented. I know my main point/argument compared Human Rights as per Constitutional Law and "equality" (or lack of) in today's society. That the term "equal" in this sense could be interpreted as not absolute and that there could be/are different levels of equality, whether or not there should be.

I guess there really are two ways to look at the question. From a political standpoint or a universal standpoint. From a purely political view, I think it would be easy to say that everyone is equal ... but some are more equal. Are homosexual couples less "equal" because they can't legally marry? That's the best example, I'm sure there are more. From a more universal view, it would be hard not to bring one's own personal religious beliefs (or lack of) into the argument. If someone believes in a higher power, then they could easily say "Yes, Higher Power of choice created every human being and views them all equally. Everyone is beautiful, great, awesome, and generous in Higher Power's eyes, etc." On the flipside, with no beliefs/different ideas of what's really "out there" so to speak, it could be something like, "Yes, we are all connected to each other in the great and vast universe, and we're all One."

So I think it's pretty broad, depending on which side you look at it (political or universal) and whether or not your personal religious views factor in. Politically, I agree 110% with Mr. Orwell. As far as Humanity goes, I do think there is value in every single human life on the planet - it's the choices they make that define that value.
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By CaffeinePremium member
On Sun Aug 22, 2010 07:25 PM
Ethically, I believe all life is equal, and that nobody has the right to deny treatment/education/services to another because they are perceived as "less". (I also don't believe the "better" folk (celebs, politicians, etc) deserve to be given additional advantages due to their status, but I refuse to buy into the cult of celebrity!).

It's unfortunate that some don't receive the opportunities to reach their potential, but at the core, every life is of equal merit.

However. Having said that, a person's choices in life can affect their equality in society - that's why we have a penal system, and why those caught committing crimes (should) have their rights curtailed to the bare minimum (but still entitled to essential services).

Age: 32
Occupation: Multimedia and IT support
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By Wicked_Elphabamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:11 PM
Edited by Dancing_EMT (115664) on 2010-08-22 22:19:35
Amy, 26, EMT, as well as a Paramedic Student

Do you believe that all men/human life are equal? ( All men are created equally thus they are of the same value)


No, I actually think a lot of people are useless/a waste of protoplasm. Then again, so do a lot of people in Public Service because we deal with the scum of the Earth on the DAILY BASIS. So, Jazz_Lover, your man is spot on.

If a man was holding a knife to the throat of the victim, I would try to save the victim and I could care less about the man holding the knife and his life. This tells me that I DO NOT value everyone the same way. Human life is not equal in my book.


I would do the same thing.
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By Sumayah
On Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:37 PM
I think there's a difference between human life being equal and human life being of equal worth. I believe all human life is of equal worth, but I don't believe all human life to be equal.

30 year old teacher of dance and retail clerk
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By UnderwaterBubblemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 06:21 AM
I'm along the everyone has the potential to change line of thinking. I see the good in everyone and I see the potential good in everyone. I don't think anyone is inherently evil. I don't rate my life as being of more value than a rapist's. Naive? Perhaps.

3rd year physiotherapy(/physical therapy) student. 20.
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By DefyingGravityPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:02 AM
I forgot to include my info — 23yo, emergency dept RN
re: Are all men equal/ Is all human life equal? (karma: 1)
By TheMidlakeMusemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:46 AM
I believe all human life is inherently equal. I don't believe the choices all people make are equal, but I also recognize that our life choices don't start out from an equal playing field. The race, family situation, income level and education we're born into is a complete roll of the die, and I'm keenly aware that I could have been a completely different person had I been born into different circumstances.

23, energy analyst.

Dani
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By Wicked_Elphabamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM
^ I don't necessarily think so. If someone wants to become something, but they were born poor, they can become something. As a senior in high school, we were given a 50 page book of scholarships and resources to help us pay for school. Resources ARE out there if someone truly wants to become something other than a thug or hooker.

I don't rate my life as being of more value than a rapist's.


I do. I like to think i'm worth more to society than a rapist. I'm doing something useful to society, I'm a contributing member of society. A rapist isn't. It might sound arrogant, but I think people who actually do something with their lives instead of destroying people's lives are worth more to society. Yes, I did just say rapists, pedophiles, etc. are useless to society. And no, I wouldn't care if they dropped off the face of the Earth.
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By kandykanePremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:42 AM
There is a lot of middle ground, tho. Kids whose parents can't or won't pay for college but those kids don't qualify for aid. I've seen this many times. It's much more difficult for those kids to 'become something'. A lot of low level workers are not necessarily considered as 'equal' as educated, higher paid workers and we all know that.

kk~
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By TheMidlakeMusemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:09 PM
Edited by TheMidlakeMuse (78507) on 2010-08-23 12:12:55
Dancing_EMT wrote:

^ I don't necessarily think so. If someone wants to become something, but they were born poor, they can become something. As a senior in high school, we were given a 50 page book of scholarships and resources to help us pay for school. Resources ARE out there if someone truly wants to become something other than a thug or hooker.


I'd certainly like to believe that's true, but it doesn't always work out that way, thanks to situations like KK points out. And it's hard to think about college when you're just trying to scrape by, and your school is using twenty-year-old books, you've never touched a computer and your teachers only last a year. It just isn't as easy as saying "scholarship", especially when you might not even know what's out there.

Everybody has the "opportunity" to climb the ladder, but some people's ladders are missing rungs.

Dani
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By Wicked_Elphabamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:11 PM
kandykane wrote:

There is a lot of middle ground, tho. Kids whose parents can't or won't pay for college but those kids don't qualify for aid. I've seen this many times. It's much more difficult for those kids to 'become something'. A lot of low level workers are not necessarily considered as 'equal' as educated, higher paid workers and we all know that.

kk~


But a lot of work places offer scholarships/help with tuition. But a blue collar worker is more of a value to society than a rapist is the point I was trying to make. They are at least doing something constructive with their life, or at least trying to. The hospital I am trying to get a job at offers tuition help. :) I think even Wal-Mart offers help with Tuition as well as scholarships, as does McDonalds.
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By TheMidlakeMusemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:15 PM
Edited by TheMidlakeMuse (78507) on 2010-08-23 12:25:10
Dancing_EMT wrote:

But a blue collar worker is more of a value to society than a rapist is the point I was trying to make. They are at least doing something constructive with their life, or at least trying to.


Easy to say that a minimum wage job is "honorable" or "constructive" when you can make way more money hustling on the streets. It takes a LOT of family support for poverty and the crime that goes with it not to turn someone's head, and that's support some people just don't have. Yes, I believe everyone is ultimately responsible for their own choices, but I think as a society we have to take a good hard look at the circumstances that helped shape those choices and try to make the world a better place for everyone.

Dani
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By kandykanePremium member
On Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:27 PM
Everybody has the "opportunity" to climb the ladder, but some people's ladders are missing rungs.


Exactly! I've seen kids struggle so hard and then give up.

Those scholarships you mention, D-EMT can be pittances when it comes to the full cost of college, unless you are a total standout, which, sadly, many students are not. If you are working and have an income, the loans and grants the government offers aren't as lucrative as if you are unemployed and you have to have been unemployed the year before you apply to be considered 'unemployed'. It's far more complicated than just saying 'get a scholarship or loan'. And then you get into the whole argument about the value of your loan vs the pay you hope to earn and being in debt your whole life paying it off. The difference in payoff and just giving up and working minimum wage isn't that much different in many cases, if that is clear.

kk~
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