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Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By hummingbird
On Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:09 PM

Wadda ya think, the girl is 10.

uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com . . .

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By LlamaLlamaDuckmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:11 PM
I have no words... I really don't.
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By YumYumDoughnutPremium member
On Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:18 PM
I would say the first picture wouldn't be TOO bad if the heels and leopard print wasn't in the photo. I think that her makeup is fine in this one.

The one that bothers me is the one with dark red lipstick. That is shouting "seductive" to me if an adult took that pose. I don't look at children as "seductive" but this photo is bordering on that line big time.
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By LlamaLlamaDuckmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:05 PM
If it were a kid playfully posing it would be one thing... but really it's not.

Where the hell were her parents when they were taking those photos?
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By Cienmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:28 PM
Honestly, I don't think the first one (of her in the red dress) is problematic at all. Maaaybe the leopard print, but that doesn't really even bother me. Sure, she looks like a kid playing dress-up, but so do most pageant girls, so that first photo...I don't know. I don't really see the "sexy" or "sultry" part of that particular one.

That said, they get progressively worse; the gold one with the bunny is getting closer to that grown-up model feel, and then the one of her in the sleeveless dress is just sort of uncomfortably weird. And is it just me, or is it also kinda creepy that the 15-page spread is called "Gifts"?

The one part of the article that bugged me was this:
It included shots of...Thylane...with her legs and neckline bared.

Oh, gods, we can't have anyone showing their legs AND neckline! Horror of horrors! (I know what they mean, but the phrasing sort of makes it laughable.)
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By Heartmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:32 PM
I had actually seen this left picture out & about somewhere & didn't even realize she was that young. She's a fantastically talented model.

I agree with Lauren... where the heck were her parents?

I'm kind of creeped out, but I can get behind this quote:
On one fan page a woman wrote: “I don't find this unusual, she is super talented...plus it’s French Vogue!!! FRENCH. VOGUE. Totally ok."

They wanted to get people talking, and we're talking. Outrage sells magazines. Don't feed the troll, yeah?
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By SiyoNqobamember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:21 AM
She is exquisite. But yes, those photos are disgusting considering her age. She'll be just as beautiful for years to come. Let the little girl be a little girl.
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By Kekoamember has saluted, click to view salute photos
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 01:20 AM
The only one I find outright disgusting is the one in the goldish dress with the low neckline.

I can see how they're inappropriate to some people. However, I was a super girly girl and my mom would deck me out in full makeup for fun sometimes and I'd walk around the house playing dress up with her clothes. Modeling isn't real. This little girl is playing dress up. I would guess with 99% certainty that when she's not modeling, she's wearing jeans and sneakers and playing like any other ten year old.

If they'd left out the gold outfit, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it. We're all suckers for cute little kids playing grownup. Is she being sexualized or is she just playing grownup like lots of little girls do (but with a makeup artist and better clothes)? That's entirely up to opinion which is why stories like this cause such a fuss.
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By panicmember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 07:59 AM
I don't have a problem with the pictures per se. She's fully covered and I don't think any of the poses are overtly sexual. However, I see these photos as part of a larger problem - the fashion industry's sexualization of children (those 16-year-old catwalk models are children IMO). But that's not a new problem. This is from the 70s.
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re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By aerial
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 09:08 AM
No worse than "Toddlers in Tiaras"
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By slice
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 09:15 AM
Am I the only one who initially read the topic as "pornographic artistry"?
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By webstArmember has saluted, click to view salute photos
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 09:15 AM
The ones in that article aren't as bad as some of them in this one: www.buzzfeed.com . . .

Sorry, but that's not a child playing dress-up, any way you slice it.
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By tumblebugPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 09:46 AM
In nearly every photo she has the same dumb look. I'm not a fan of her look personally.
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By YumYumDoughnutPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:28 AM
^ I think the actual model is doing her job well. I think she is stunning and has a bright future ahead of her.
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By LiL_Mizz_Danca
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:59 AM
I have to say, i didn't really see a problem with these photographs at all, she is a very beautiful child and if she wants to model she should be able to without all the negativity surrounding her. That was untill I googled her to see what she looked like without makeup on and found one of her topless, pulling down her trousers. Now that is downright wrong!
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By Chaconnemember has saluted, click to view salute photosPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:34 PM
I'm not a big fan of this. When I did photography professionally I was asked on occasion to do this sort of thing, but I only did it once (before I knew anything about the pageant circuit.) A colleague had a daughter, then about age 9, who was into pageantry (actually I think the mother was really into it more than the girl.) The father (parents were divorced) was also one of my students in a portraiture class I taught. The girl I did wasn't in the league of this girl and what I shot was nowhere near as provocative. I guess I lump this into the same bag as Jon-Benet Ramsey, the six or seven year old pageant girl who was murdered in the 1990's, though the photos I've seen of Jon-Benet struck me more as a six-year old with some make-up on rather than anything provocative. I thought of those photos as somewhere between bizarre and comical. The photos Hummingbird linked to strike much the same way. BTW the girl I did soon lost interest in pageantry, didn't find work as a model because our area really has no fashion industry...you really have to be in NYC or LA for this and her interested, according to her dad went more to theatrical things, particularly musical comedy but the time she was in high school. I do not know what became of her. She'd would be in her late 30's by now.

I photographed quite a few 13 year old girls in a variety of settings in conjunction with their Bat Mitzvahs. Often I made a big poster (which was used as a sign-in/memory board at the reception) and I did the girls (and some guys) in whatever fantasy they pictured themselves as...athlete, theater, dancing, fashion model etc. This can work for a 13 year old girl much better and more appropriately than a girl of, say, age 10.

I would much rather see young girls photographed in the manner of the Italian Vogue offshoot which featured children's fashions and photographs children as children (this magazine does ages 0 to about 10 or 11, then they graduated to something akin to Teen Vogue which for the most part shoots teens as teens.)

Some rather famous actresses and models did do this sort of thing though when they were young. Tatum O'neal was tarted up as a child prostitute in Paper Moon. Mila Jovanovitch was shooting things far older than she was at the beginning of her career...photographers played on her rather extreme tallness.

Brooke Shields was perhaps the most famous child model, often presented as older than her age (again the tallness factor.)

Some neighborhood teen girls are taking photography in school. One of their parents (age peer of my own kids) remembered me from my little league team photo days and asked me to critique their work. I've been coaching them in fashion photography and lending them some of my old lighting equipment, but as of yet I haven't done any shooting myself. They are trying to emulate Teen Vogue,Your Prom, and Seventeen which I think is totally appropriate for them. The youngest is almost 14 and the two others are 15 and 16.

Jon
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By Hoosier
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 01:35 PM
I don't care for it at all. Kids are adorable as they are, it just looks like they are trying to make her a mini adult. It doesn't look like dress up to me, if it were the shoes would be too big, she would have a purse that is too large, etc. That's what I remember from playing dress up at least. I know this is Vogue and all but I think they could've gone about it a different way.

It reminds me of my cousin actually. She had dressed up as a leopard for halloween one year when she was probably 8 or 9. The costume was super tight, she had weird heels on, and quite a bit of makeup. Obviously not her fault, but her parents. Anyway, she was lying on the couch in their livingroom watching TV and her mom saw her. Her mom then decided that it would be a good idea to take a picture of her posing seductively (according to my aunt she was already in a "sexy" position...who says that about their child under 10??). She showed me and thought it was just the cutest thing that her young daughter looked so "sexy." I was so incredibly disgusted and still am. I just don't get it.
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By slice
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 03:33 PM
So I just got too curious and had the Google the poor thing.

A lot of the photos (from what I saw) aren't that bad. They're not all like the ones above:

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The ones that bother me the most are the ones where she's clearly being asked to play a role that's far beyond her maturity level.

She's an exquisitely beautiful child, no doubt about that. The Vogue stuff is just not child work, sorry.
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By tumblebugPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 04:03 PM
^ Those photos are much better. At least she had some diversity with her expression. Much better than the "Hi I would like to sell you some crack" look.

Comment #9668023 deleted
Edited by hylndlas (107168) on 2011-08-06 16:58:28 I might be back on this.
Removed by hylndlas (107168) on 2011-08-06 17:30:51 Yeah....no this can't stay.

re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By tumblebugPremium member
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 04:25 PM
^ That is disgusting.
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By LiL_Mizz_Danca
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 04:36 PM
My thoughts exactly. A peadophiles dream.
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By Hoosier
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 04:40 PM
That is wrong on a million levels. Who lets their kid do that?
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By bethnee_rose
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 05:13 PM
Edited by bethnee_rose (218983) on 2011-08-06 17:18:16 Some not dome.
I feel so sad for that child. I was shocked but not toooo horrified (Have seen some worse things on toddlers & tiaras!) until I saw the picture in that last link.

My jaw literally dropped, and apart from that I really have no words.

That isn't art, it is child pornography. And her parents need to be LOCKED UP for letting someone take a photo like that... WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?! That child needs to be taken to a family that has even HALF a brain, and maybe just one iota of common sence that would tell them photographing a child naked in make up standing in a seductive pose and then allowing it to be put on the internet is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

Turns out I did have some words. I am so upset!
re: Child exploitation or photographic artistry
By hummingbird
On Sat Aug 06, 2011 05:26 PM
Edited by hummingbird (128773) on 2011-08-06 17:35:52 Can't type straight
I know what category I'd put that last one in and it ain't artistry!
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