And there are some people who would lose their family due to an unplanned pregnancy, some people that would ruin their future because they would have to walk away from scholarships at school, and even lose their job.

I'm glad it worked out for you and you did what you felt was right in your heart. That decision isn't the right one, the only one, or the best one from everyone. Everyone's situation is different and to make a blanket statement about what other people "SHOULD" do just seems wrong to me.

I'll share a story from being involved in Planned Parenthood. A girl was abused emotionally and physically in her past, she was raped in college, had a history of two suicide attempts in her teens, and was barely making ends meet. She was hurting so much, thought so little of herself, and was so messed up in the head that she was on S&M sites looking for dominant men to hurt her. It was her version of self harm instead of cutting herself. That is what she thought she was good for, and the only way men would pay attention to her. She ended up getting pregnant because she wasn't careful and the reason she wasn't was mostly because she just didn't care about her life anymore. She was devastated and embarrassed because it could have been the child of 2 different guys! She got an abortion, she got counseling, she got herself straightened out and while it took almost 2 years she got on the right track. 7 years later she is married and has a child, and has her own business. She admits that if she would have had to carry the baby having everyone know she wasn't involved in a relationship, having her family disown her etc. she would have found a way to kill herself. Without a doubt she would have found ANY way to kill herself and nothing would have stopped her. She also knows her life wouldn't be like this without the chance to get things back in alignment. While abortion may not be the right choice for everyone, without that option we would have lost a beautiful person who is a blessing to this world and who has big dreams and is flourishing.

Aaaand once again, this thread is about abortion in the THIRD TRIMESTER, not abortion in general.

::backs out quietly::

Whatever would we do without such a pleasant friendly reminder which is ALSO not about 3rd trimester abortions or adding to the thread in ANY way?? Thank goodness someone swooped in like a seagull to get us all back on track.

About one percent of all abortions performed in the United States occur after 21 weeks.

37 states prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy, 24 states initiate prohibitions at fetal viability, 5 states initiate prohibitions in the third trimester, and 8 states initiate prohibitions after a certain number of weeks, generally 24.


29 states permit abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman, 4 states permit abortions to save the life or health of the woman, but use a narrow definition of health, and 4 states permit abortions only to save the life of the woman.

Some states require the involvement of a second physician when a later-term abortion is performed. Nine states require that a second physician attend in order to treat a fetus if it is born alive. Ten states require that a second physician certify that the abortion is medically necessary. I think Kansas law is the strictest because it requires that procedures can only be performed after viability if two independent doctors agree that not to do so would put the mother at risk of irreparable harm by giving birth.

I just don't think I can ever be comfortable telling a woman what she should do in regards to her body. I don't know her mental or physical health.

(Cien...is that more on topic?? If not feel free to mod report it and any other replies you feel are off topic.)

imadanseur wrote:

Whatever would we do without such a pleasant friendly reminder which is ALSO not about 3rd trimester abortions or adding to the thread in ANY way?? Thank goodness someone swooped in like a seagull to get us all back on track.

Wow, calm down. Don't forget that I agree with your position here; I just didn't want that abortion debate to drag on any further, because we ALL know it's been done on here before.

Seriously? Let me get this straight....

6 posters claim that they agree with abortion in the third trimester because they don't believe in any restrictions on abortion and nobody says a thing. End of story. Then I state that I don't believe in 3rd trimester because I don't agree with abortion in general and I already get called out TWICE - because this isn't a debate about abortion in general? Wow.

I knew I shouldn't say anything. I know better. I see how ugly people get on DDN when someone doesn't agree with them. I typically stay out of any debates or arguments, as I don't think they contribute to any discussion on anything, because there is always a group that thinks their right and they tend to "gang" up on the unpopular opinion with rude remarks and blanket statements.

But, alas, I chose to contribute, and I'm a big girl and can take it. I do feel that some people need to take a look at themselves and realize they aren't as "open minded" as they thought.

imadanseur - like I said, I don't think there is never a valid need for abortion. My experience has been such that abortion is way abused because there is no limitations. I know two different people who have had more than three abortions a piece. And I believe the majority of people getting abortions are people like this...who just don't act responsibly, because they don't have to. They can just have an abortion.

^The abortion in general debate has been run into the ground here and that's why you got called out. I became vehemently pro-life when I dealt with a pregnancy from an unstable relationship as well and I share your sentiments, but it's not the time for personal stories on why I am pro-life.

It's nothing to get your panties in a twist about (on either side here), some of us just plain don't want to see a fairly productive debate start going in the circles we KNOW it will because we've been there, done that with the debate on abortion about a hundred times.

So if they have a history of not acting responsibility...why would you want them to have a child? They will continue being irresponsible during their pregnancy AND after. I think there are enough idiots having kids and not taking proper care of themselves while pregnant and not taking care of their kids. Thus why I'm find with anyone having an abortion at any time. Have 100 abortions...as long as you aren't ruining a child's life or raising them to be a hoodlum. I think that is far worse for society.

I feel I am very open minded in this area. I totally support your right to have an abortion or NOT have one. I recognize that my choice wouldn't be your choice but I don't want to ever take someone's choice away or force them to do something that didn't feel was right. I am happy I live in a country right now that allows women to choose what is best for them and the government isn't making a decision on how many kids I can have, or forcing me to have one that I don't want to have.

I came to the debate board where I was told to come and I agreed with cheerspirits comment. Now I am being censored here too.
But the kill all babies image remains. Like I said over and over if we do not agree we do not count.

^Sweetie (and I assume you are young enough to be one of my children...)

No one is trying to fight with you. Don't assume that because you haven't quite mastered the gentle art of disagreement without personal attack it means that your opinion doesn't count. All opinions "count."

These boards have been the host to many a spirited, yet civil, discussion about these subjects. If you check out some of Mrs. Finnigan's old posts you may find a kindred spirit.

Best wishes.

Keep On Dancing*

Maddogdancer wrote:

I came to the debate board where I was told to come and I agreed with cheerspirits comment. Now I am being censored here too.

You are not being censored here. You are being asked to keep your grievances with moderator actions off the public boards.

But the kill all babies image remains. Like I said over and over if we do not agree we do not count.

"Kill all babies"? Who ever said they wanted to "kill all babies"? If you're going to debate, at least debate facts.

Erin.
::righteous babe::

The IMAGE on the previous page....sigh

sat·ire   [sat-ahyuhr]
noun
1.
the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2.
a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3.
a literary genre comprising such compositions.

Erin.
::righteous babe::

I realize it is meant as satire but satire can still be offensive